Talk:Haberdasher/Archives/2019

Merge with Galanteriewaren
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1491689 is IMHO the same thing except in non-English languages (e.g., Galanteriewaren. These two Wikidata items should be merged.

Ceplm (talk) 15:09, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

I disagree. The haberdasher is the same as the German "Kurzwarenhändler", who sells the same items as the haberdasher. "Galanteriewaren" are a different category, they contain stuff like costume jewellery, scarfs and other accessories. Please remove the link to Galanteriewaren and link to https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurzwaren instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grinsekatze68 (talk • contribs) 08:19, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, that's just what I thought when I came here. A haberdasher is a "Kurzwarenhändler" in German; there is (currently) no specific article for the merchant, so this article should indeed link to "Kurzwaren". Red (talk) 08:23, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

No connection to Old Norse?
I don't think we can say that the word has no connection to Old Norse, and then claim it came from an Anglo-Norman word (emphasis on the post-hyphen portion...). Especially so when the meanings seem so blatantly shared. I reckon that the word very much existed in Old Norse, perhaps back in Proto-Norse, and was brought to Normandy by the Norman invaders/settlers. From there, with William, it crossed the Channel and worked its way into Middle English, and then down to the modern version of the language.


 * The precise meaning and origin of hapertas is not known, though. It seems to be from a Germanic language, judging by the h-, but there's no guarantee at all that it comes from Old Norse; it could also originate in West Germanic, for example. In fact, it's even possible that hapertas itself goes back to English haberdasher (or haberdash, which may be a back-formation; compare here), so that it would be a dead-end. (By using the search term anglo-norman "hapertas", I was able to come up with citations from the OED and other etymological dictionaries which confirm the obscurity of the relationship between these words.) --Florian Blaschke (talk) 04:52, 24 September 2019 (UTC)