Talk:Haberdashers' Girls' School

Coat of Arms
This is a really nitpicking point, but the caption 'the school crest' should really read 'coat of arms' so I shall alter it. Though crest is widely used in everyday English as a synonym for coat of arms, that doesn't make it right! :)

It is, of course, the coat of arms of the Haberdashers' Company, and hence of the associated schools, and perhaps that, too, should be made clearer, though I am not sure how/where. AgTigress (talk) 12:53, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

History of the school
Obviously this article is very rudimentary at the moment, and if it is ever to be made fuller, it must include the history of the school. The project is not helped by the fact that the current website of the Elstree school is incredibly weak on the institution's history. For example, there is no list of headmistresses, let alone one of notable teachers, such as Margaret Meek, who taught English there in the early 1950s, and went on to become a very notable academic in the field of literacy teaching. And I think the only reference to the formidable Oxford bluestocking Eileen Harold on the web is in the list of heads of North London Collegiate school, where she was headmistress for about three years during the Second World War, before returning to Habs in Acton in 1944 for a much longer career as headmistress there.

Is there any Wiki rule against copying over the first section of the history (that is, the £20,000 bequest in Robert Aske's will in 1689-90, with which the almhouses and the first Haberdashers' Company school were founded in Hoxton) as set out in the article on the boys' school? These facts are common to both, and can be referenced to the Haberdashers' Company's own website, and apparently, the VCH Middlesex volume, though I haven't checked that personally. AgTigress (talk) 12:57, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No, but explain what you are doing in the edit summary, eg: "early history copied from other article name; same for here", so that the whole editing history can be traced. Johnbod (talk) 19:46, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Johnbod! You are omniscient and omnipresent! I probably shouldn't meddle with this at the moment, since it would unbalance it to put in a bit about the 17thC background without doing a fuller historical survey. No that it isn't rather unbalanced already. Thank you for the information, as always. :) AgTigress (talk) 22:28, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

The term alumnae
I know I am talking to myself here! Since when have alumnus / alumna become acceptable in British English to mean former pupils of a secondary school? I am an alumna of my University, but merely an Old Girl of my secondary school. The use of the Latin term is an Americanism when applied to secondary education, in my view, as is the concept of 'graduating' from school at 18. I didn't 'graduate': I simply left school. :) AgTigress (talk) 19:31, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

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Notable past students
I removed some non-notable people and received the following email:

"I noticed that you have amended the school's wiki page to remove some names of notable Old Girls. [redacted] I have been adding names to this list over time [redacted]. I have been complimented by members of the school community as to how this list is growing and how interesting it is to discover the success of alumni. When I originally started [redacted] the list was inaccurate and I pride myself on its current accuracy."

User has reverted my changes. I don't want to edit war about this so leaving it for the community. Tacyarg (talk) 13:15, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

User has removed tags Refimprove and Alumni - I have reverted and left the following note on the user's page.

Hi there, I have replaced the two tags Refimprove and Alumni on the article Haberdashers' Aske's School for Girls.

Re Refimprove - you state that the book listed at the end of the article is the source. In that case, can you add footnotes to indicate this? You may also need to look at any information which postdates the book. For instance, it was published in 2000 but the article states the current HT started in 2011, so the book cannot be the source for this and no other source is given.

Re Alumni - there are three issues here. Not all listed alumni have footnotes to demonstrate that they are alumni. For instance, Ann Oakley - her linked Wiki article mentions her attendance at Haberdashers' Aske's School for Girls but does not give a reference to evidence it. Other people do have a footnote but it does not always indicate that they went to Haberdashers' Aske's School for Girls. For instance, Francesca Fraser. There are also a number of people listed who do not have Wiki articles so may not be notable. My understanding is that in general people should not be listed unless they meet Wiki's general notability guidelines - enough to have their own article. See WP:Notability_(people).

Hope this is useful. Best wishes Tacyarg