Talk:Hacienda

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This is a POV translation of the original article in Hacienda, which is way more neutral. Things like the mestizo population on the great estates have always been and remain devoutly faithful and fatalistic followers of the Roman Catholic Church deviate from the tone of the original. Just wanted to point this out; I may get around to do it, but it won't be anytime soon. -- Rune Welsh | &tau;&alpha;&lambda;&kappa; | Esperanza  08:24, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

'Haciendas originated in Spanish land grants, made to many...'

Warriors that defeated the Aztecs were comprised primarily of local indigenous enemies, not Europeans. After the defeat of the Aztecs, many of the those arriving from Europe would’ve been settlers and colonists. So it’s not entirely accurate to label every person migrating from Europe at that time as a soldier or warrior. Particularly when a lack of immunity to Old World diseases wiped out a large portion of the population rather than warfare, and it resembled a biological genocide that opportunistic foreign invaders took advantage of more than a conventional 'conquest'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.59.117.190 (talk) 14:12, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Undue weight
Undoing User:Montanabw's removal of my Hacienda image from Puerto Rico. basis used: "Too many images already, undue". The talk page if s the place to discuss this sort of disagreements. My name is Mercy11 (talk) 12:35, 13 July 2012 (UTC), and I approve this message.


 * The guideline that applies here is not the undue weight (which is for not giving too much emphasis to minority opinions) but Manual of Style/Images. It's better to avoid having the text sandwiched between images, or an interrupted column of images. The one from Puerto Rico is not only very big, but it is not very helpful either: most of what we see is the sky and the landscape, the actual hacienda is too small to be distinguished. To make a gallery of images of haciendas, we have Commons. Cambalachero (talk) 12:45, 13 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Like you pointed out, the undue weight claim was the center of my objection. As for the WP:MOS assertion I agree the article was in bad shape to start with. I haven't looked to see when you left your response above but I had already moved some of the images around as their lineup, I agree, was not the best format. In the process the image from PR was reduced in relative size. As for the "most of what we see is the sky and the landscape", why not show the entire context in which some haciendas were located now that the other images did not provide that information? So that was part of my reasoning to have the image prevail in the article. My name is Mercy11 (talk) 14:30, 13 July 2012 (UTC), and I approve this message.


 * My point was that the article was already too image-heavy, the image added was a painting, not all that helpful and thus unneeded, and I agree with the other editor. Undue may not have been the best choice of terms, but my point was that it was unnecessary and added too many images to the article (galleries ARE discouraged, save in rare cases, like art articles`) The point is that the article looks better now, so the issue is moot, even though it is preferable to use photos over drawings or paintings when we are discussing something that exists today. The article would, of course, benefit from continued improvement, as most articles do.  Montanabw (talk) 18:10, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Obrajes
I heard that there are facilities called "obrajes" inside of New World haciendas. Exactly what are they? I can't read Spanish but so far I found a Spanish Wiki article about it. Obrajes en la Nueva España. Komitsuki (talk) 02:31, 6 February 2015 (UTC)


 * No clue. I did a quick Google and though blogs aren't a RS for WP, I did find this, which says the translation is basically "workshops", and refers to places of textile manufacture.  Hope that helps!  Montanabw (talk)  03:24, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

"Capitalistic enterprises"
"... even though their wealth these days derives from more capitalistic enterprises."

Just what exactly is this sentence (tagged "citation needed") trying to say? What non-capitalistic enterprises did they formerly derive their wealth from?

I don't expect this sentence is seriously trying to tell us they were previously state-funded communist enterprises, and that's what made them so wealthy in the past. So, what is it? --93.212.233.204 (talk) 11:05, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

"recruited free labor"?
No. "used slaves" 98.144.238.191 (talk) 14:22, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * That part of the article is about what happened after slavery. The labor was free to choose where they worked, not unpaid slave labor. Binksternet (talk) 18:38, 6 September 2022 (UTC)