Talk:HackThisSite/Archive 1

Requested Move
The revision is as complete as it is ever going to be (but feel free to add some) and I've requested that it be moved to the main article. -- User: (talk • contribs • count ) 02:35, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

History of HackThisSite
'Kay people, the new History section is keeping the revision behind. If you know anything about HTS's timeline (from the hulla-ballo era) we need you to add it to the revision so we can get the show on the road. Thanx -- Kerowren 19:12, 08 March 2007 (UTC)

Lock the article?
Can this article be locked since the revision is ongoing? --Ashi Starshade 01:20, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe you can get someone to do it. The revision is almost finished by the way, except for the section on HTS's History. People we need a history section! -- Kerowren (talk • contribs • count ) 22:41, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

NPOV removed
This article is fully neutral and and factuall as comforming to wiki guidelines.

Jeremy Sentence
Jeremy Hammond, HTS founder sentenced to 2 years:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0612080286dec08,1,689768.story?ctrack=1&cset=true 84.68.93.166 20:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism and Irrelevancy
Continous additions about Jeremy Hammond, who founded HackThisSite are, in my opinion vandalism, as Jeremy Hammond is irrelevent to the article other than the fact he founded the site, therefore talk about his non-HTS activities should be dismissed. If you disagree please respond. I also removed a section entitled "Pro" which in my opinion is entirely unprofessional and irrelevent. If anyone has any problems with that, then please post your opinions here. Any additions concerning subjects addressed above that are not discussed here, I will regard as vandalism. --EJFox 00:52, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * If you have a problem, state it or add your opinion. I removed yours for being an obvious defacement and replaced it with standard information from the site. I'm not willing to write an article, I am biased, so I will leave it for another user to do. But don't just remove my edit and replace it with crap, either contribute or don't bother. -- IceShaman 00:52, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


 * In addition I must add that despite vanadalism and irrelevance, most of the this page is written by the staff of HTS itself. I believe in no way that I have an impartial view of HTS but I must say that pretty much anyone involved in HTS has an impartial view do to the nature of the site and its history. For instance in the controversy section it is suggested that HackThisSite has never been found to be involved in illegal activities. That alone is disputable because Jeremy was arrested by the FBI under the belief that he used HTS members to coordinate an attack. He made us of the zines on HTS to do this. So while it may not be possible to say beyond a reasonable doubt that HTS is involved in illegal activity, it is indeed possible that it has been at some point. It seems to be that now things have definitely changed but the point of wikipedia is to provide an impartial perspective on the history of a topic, not just the current situation. So as you can see, the fact remains that it is partial to believe that HTS has never been involved in illegal activities. After all it would seem the FBI would want to contest that.

Overall the article is somewhat far and impartial but for the time being I still want it flagged as disputable neutrality based on the section in question. While I would be one to believe that deletion is somewhat extreme, I still think there is work to be done on this page. Anyone else care to share their thoughts on this subject? Also I have a link that I think may help explain why I feel the way I feel about this: http://hiphoprepublican.com/2005_07_01_hiphoprepublican_archive.html#112066882740582820


 * I think this article is in dire need of a clean-up. It's overly general and disorganized and seems to ramble in places. I think a major edit is past over-due. Comments? -- Kerowren 02:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * A rewrite will also resolve problems Ice and Ejfox noted. -- Kerowren 02:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, if you wanna help go ahead. --EJFox 04:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Focus on Rewrite
All right, I have some ideas on how to begin. Let's see:
 * Introduction
 * the introduction could be curtailed a bit as some of what it states can be placed in the body...or not at all.


 * Types of Challenge
 * I'm seeing an expansion of the Types of Challenges section. HTS challenges have more depth and this is so vague, it's insulting, lol. Rename to simply Challenges then add sub-sections detailing each type.


 * IRC and Forum
 * The IRC and Forums section could be moved lower into the body unless someone thinks that they are the main focus of HTS.


 * Conflicts/Legal Issues section
 * Creation of a Conflicts or Legal Issues section could encompass the Criticism section. I believe the ProtestWarrior occurrences should be duly noted as to avoid NPOV disputes, else, the section could go before the Criticism section, in which case some reference to Jeremy Hammond must be made...


 * ...and Articles...
 * and I'm surprised that IRC and Forums was chosen as a complete section as pre-2004, 2005, HTS was well known for having quite a compilation of hacking Articles...much of which has been lost in hacks...so, yeah, a reference to internal and external dissents/hacks.


 * Internal Disputes (?)
 * ditto

If this works out well, possible creation of a group of hacking-related-website articles (man that's a mouthful)? -- Kerowren 14:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * (There's already a hacking category: computer_hacking -- Kerowren (talk • contribs • count ))
 * As I already noted on IRC, it'll be hard to find much information from any other source than the userbase - therefore it'll be damn hard to keep any bias out. - The preceding signed comment was added by Nazgjunk (talk • contrib) 21:16, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * That doesn't mean stop, we'll just filter those out. Right now we'll just be focusing on the History of HTS before we get to the juicy stuff. -- Kerowren 21:38, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Rootthisbox left unmentioned?
I don't see any references to the Rootthisbox challenges. Someone should really work on this article. -- scenestar
 * It's pretty cool how you took the time to add a complaint about lack of information on the talk page, but did not add anything yourself. It's a wiki, if you want something done then do it. Especially complaining about a project which you 'maintain'.--EJFox 03:49, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess we can ignore RTB for now, seeing as it kind of forked away. Yay for hts. - The preceding signed comment was added by Nazgjunk (talk • contrib) 16:35, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Revision
This is the current incomplete revision as it stands. I'm sure we can all think of something. Kerowren (talk • contribs • count ) 05:20, December 15, 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you think it's time to replace the current version with this revision? It looks complete enough to switch over, and it will be exposed to more people for further editing. - Wells 194.72.134.226 14:44, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it's very close to time, we can move it as it is, but I would like to see a brief history of HTS or a timeline section added if that's possible. -- User: (talk • contribs • count ) 17:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)