Talk:Hackney carriage

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A Hackney Carriage is a cab licensed by the Public Carriage Office which in its modern form means a black cab; but a Hackney Carriage can refer to any of the various forms of cab that have existed since The first horse drawn Hackney carriages (including the victorian Hansom cabs).

I don't agree that other colours of London cab are frequently seen other than for sponsored advertisement vehicles. Dainamo 07:53, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Etymology of "Hackney"?
I've googled for this word, and most of the sources agree with the French word "haquenée", pointing the word prior to "hackney". But according to Académie Française, Online Etymology Dictionary (see "hack(2)"), and hackney - yourDictionary.com - American Heritage Dictionary, the etymological lineage seems to have flown in another direction. Are there more solid sources to support either side? Help is appreciated:)--Roberto Carlos No.3 17:26, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I have no special axe to grind (even though I live in Hackney), but may I point out that the entry for Hackney Horse has the derivation only from the East London area. Perhaps both pieces should mention both possibilities...

Tarquin Binary 14:38, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

In the television series 'What the Stuarts did for us' (BBC) it is described as coming from a Flemish word rather than the French as suggested here. 81.132.249.44 13:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

If you can read french, please note HERE that the very serious ATILF mentionned that the word is coming from the english toponymous (circa 1292)... Yours, --Marc-AntoineV (talk) 21:36, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Ireland
In ireland, a Hackney cab is the exact opposite, its a cab you hire privately. At least, thats what I use, can someone back me up on this, before I add it to the artical? --Richy 15:34, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Yep, in Ireland a hackney is specifically a minicab. Vehicles that pick on a streets are instead called taxis. Added a section on ROI to the article. --Rdd 19:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Any reason why the ROI section was removed before I put it back in? --Rdd 19:49, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It has gone to Taxicabs around the world in its own section. This Hackney Carriage article may disappear, in due course, as part of a restructuring. TerriersFan 23:19, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Cities
Added Edinburgh to the other cities that have black cabs, others feel free to add them, to give a more detailed list perhaps.

San Francisco Dallas Houston Las Vegas New Orleans —Preceding unsigned comment added by Londonfleet (talk • contribs) 21:44, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

The Knowledge and satnav
Presumably, the existence of inexpensive in-car satellite navigation systems will make The Knowledge far less important? -- Anon. 08:59, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Hackney disambiguation
Although my main concern is with geographical definitions (which were getting messy), I have now added this page to a disambiguation page for Hackney in general.

Tarquin Binary 14:41, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, that last didn't work as I intended. There are just too many existing links in to the geographical Hackney - just a hindrance to users to put disambiguation in the way. But I have put a line in on the borough page referring users onward to the disambiguation page, which links here and to the horses.

Tarquin Binary 15:11, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Proposed restructuring
Please see discussion at Talk:Taxicabs around the world. TerriersFan 19:04, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

History: recursive link
the Hackney coach link in the history paragraph redirects to the same article. This is confusing.
 * Fixed, thx - I better fix the fact that there are two History sections as well! TerriersFan 01:17, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

tv
some have tvs

London black cab registration numbers
I regularly walk past two taxi ranks at Canary Wharf, and I've noticed that nearly all of the registration numbers are between 10,000 and the low 30,000s; occasionally there's one in the low 90'000s. This is true of other taxis I've seen about London over the last few days as well. Presumably (since there's 21,000 of these in London) the first batch are the normal range and the others are special. Can someone explain in the article why there are none below 10,000 and the significance of the 90,000+ numbers? Lessthanideal (talk) 16:31, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

"Bronze" & "Silver" labels on TX taxis.
Some of the TX model taxis have badges "Bronze" and "Silver" on the back. Presumably these are specific models in the TX range. Is there any information about the differences in these?

It should probably go on the specific TX pages, but I don't know exactly which ones are involved so I'm asking on this page. Lessthanideal (talk) 16:33, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

External Links to a Cab Service
It seems to me that this is probably spamming, and a violation of the general policy to put external links at the end of the article. Lee-Anne (talk) 14:01, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I've changed the links to point to internal Wikipedia pages corresponding to the base commercial vehicle chassis, in the case of the Volkswagen Odyssey and the Ford Journey, both of which appear to be taxi conversions of standard commercial models. I believe that the specific conversions should be discussed there, if at all, since these are not purpose built, but mere variations. Lee-Anne (talk) 14:58, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Article Name
While I understand that "Hackney carriage" is the correct name for a London taxi of today, they are hardly ever referred to as such in normal speech. "London taxi" or "black cab" are much more common. "Hackney carriage" would be used of the horse-drawn vehicles that predated them. Wikipedia policy dictates that an article be named for the most commonly used name of a subject. I suggest an article rename. DJ Clayworth (talk) 20:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Another Londoncentric article! Hackney carriage is a term used all over the United Kingdom and does not refer to the shape of the vehicle. A Hackney carriage is compared to a Private Hire Vehicle: one is licenced to be stopped in the street (hailed), whereas the other needs to be booked in advance and cannot be hailed. Francis Hannaway 19:32, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Nissan NV200
Hello. The Nissan NV200 is planned to be released as a London taxicab in 2014, followed by the e-NV200 (the electric model) in 2015. Can you please include this in the article? Thanks.--67.54.191.225 (talk) 19:54, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

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File:Plushev - IMGP2453.jpg
File need s a better name - any suggestions? Obviously a London Black Cab - seems to have some London skyscape on the cab side. Ron h jones (Talk) 00:52, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

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Significant overlap with taxicab page
I like this article, which seems to focus on the London taxis/cabs that I am familiar with, but I am surprised that the scope has significant overlap with the Taxicab page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxicab that covers a similar subject worldwide, but without any links from one to the other. Fixing this feels like a significant task and I'm not an expert on taxis nor on Wikipedia customs so I'm not going to start now. One way forward might be to start by putting in the links, then to make this the "London taxi" page and move the "other countries" material to the worldwide taxicab page? Not sure!

One small point, a special case of the previous problem: this page says motor taxis started 1901 but the other page tells me that "gasoline-powered taxis" started in Stuttgart 1897. Alan-24 (talk) 14:39, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

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Move
Move to London taxi or black taxi. Hackney carriage is never used as a name and nearly no-one has heard of it. 2A02:C7E:3AA0:9200:CDAD:B827:33D3:6E03 (talk) 17:49, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Pretty bad
This article doesn't even explain where the word "Hackney" came from (for this vehicle). My gosh, it doesn't even give a date for its first appearance!! (in English) My best *guess* is that its origin is obscure - possibly from French, Belgian, or from a breed of horse. But who knows? (I bet someone does.)174.130.71.156 (talk) 22:41, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Move
Move to London taxi or black taxi. Hackney carriage is never used as a name and no-one has heard of it. 2A02:C7C:847D:400:39DD:23AF:235:32EF (talk) 00:10, 17 January 2024 (UTC)


 * There are already redirects for London taxi and black taxi.   ▶ I am Grorp ◀  10:13, 20 January 2024 (UTC)