Talk:Hadise

Interview in Humo
I added some info from the Humo interview 17/10/06. I do not know whether the fact that her parents divorced and that her father disapproved of her musical career (he wanted her to study !!!) need be noted here. If she gets even more famous, I suppose so.--Pan Gerwazy 17:44, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Since there is increasing criticism of using interviews on Wikipedia, let me point out that the information on Hadise's show in Turkey and her parents' divorce was from the journalist interviewing. The other points (being born in Mol, going to the Royal Atheneum of Mol and obtaining a BA, getting on the cover of these magazines and her father objecting to her musical career) are from Hadise's mouth and therefore need further reference. If someone feels like deleting the info on the MBA, please go ahead. The other things which are in the article are either trivial or easily checkable. --Pan Gerwazy 11:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Turkish edit
Because this is English Wikipedia, I deleted the following text from the article: "Hadise, son olarak 13 Ocak 2006'da yeni teklisi "Ain't No Love Lost"u müzikseverlerin beğenisinesundu. Şarkının video klibi ise Tayland'da çekildi. Öte yandan "Ain't No Love Lost" teklisinde, şarkının "Burdayım" adlı bir de Türkçe versiyonu bulunuyor." Please translate and re-enter. Thank you. --Pan Gerwazy 15:38, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Why these links are deleted.
A number of anonymous contributors keep putting in references to blogs and other non-Hadise specific sites. Wikipedia is not a depository for spam. Please link only to the Hadise-specific pages on those sites, BUT first explain here why these links are noteworthy. Thank you. Dank U wel. Tesekkür ederim. Merci bien. Danke schön. (Does that cover everybody?) --Pan Gerwazy 10:37, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Birthplace
The article says that she was born in Mol, but according to her biography on her official website, although she doesn't directly state her birthplace, she says "I am an immigrant", therefore implying that she was born in Turkey. In addition, she also talks about adapting to Belgian customs, which wouldn't have happened had she been born in Belgium. As a result of all of this, I will be changing all of the information in this article regarding her birthplace. Any objections? Runningfridgesrule (talk) 18:48, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, you may be American if you think she cannot have been born in Belgium then. It is not as easy as that, I am afraid: there are actually people over here who think that even immigrants who were born here should go back to the country "they came from". As is clear from the Humo article, Hadise thinks differently ("we all have the same family name: 'human' ") There is no doubt however that she was born in Mol, and is a "second generation immigrant". Says so even in the biography on her website, by the way. I agree that all these Turkish editors here writing about her "native country" are rather confusing matters. Replacing that with "her parents' native country" is a bit longish. Do you have a suggestion? --Paul Pieniezny (talk) 15:00, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Circassian ancestry
Initially this page said "She was born into a circassian (quote from beyaz show) family". Could someone try to verify this? The Circassians largely live in diaspora in Turkey, see also Circassian beauties. Grey Fox (talk) 20:52, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Discussing her further ancestry, the full Humo article only states that the place her parents came from was one of the most progressive in Turkey. I do not know whether that squares with the Circassian theory or actually denies it. Were these immigrants more progressive as far as clothing is concerned? Were they more sympathetic to Ataturk's reforms? No idea, but anything about Circassion sounds like WP:SYNTH to me. There is enough here already that is not sourced at all.--Paul Pieniezny (talk) 15:05, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

WP:V
I have gone through the text to correct the English (I have an idea that some of the other editors are not very fluent in Englsih but speak Turkish and understand Dutch) and noticed that the template about non-verifiable and unsourced is well deserved. A lot of additiona have recently been edited in, without the slightest regard for verifiability level. Please, do not use individual websites, except her own official website (and even then be very careful: you cannot say the best album, or the best-selling album because her website says so) and especially do not use blogs. ESCtoday on the Eurovision song contest may look very official, but it is a blog, and what looks like an article is usually as verifiable as the author of that "article". If you find something there from a news source, quote the news source, and not ESCtoday.com. They are having a good laugh there, I suppose, knowing that Wikipedia is quoting them! Anything which is not sourced properly should not be in the article, sorry.

http://www.showbizzsite.be/ is dubious (perhaps a little less bad than ESCtoday), because its articles are unsigned! You should try to find it somewhere else. Even if that good source quotes showbizzsite, you are basically OK, as the good source is then officially supporting that item.--Paul Pieniezny (talk) 15:23, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Anyone here who knows Turkish very well?
There is now info on the name meaning "occurrence", but Hadise's website claims it means "tale". I can imagine that both meanings can be rather close in a oparticular language, but which one is the more appropriate? I do not see the source for "occurrence", but of course, this is one of those things where you cannot trust the subject's website. Anyone here who knows enough Turkish to rule decisely, or do I need to go to my local library and check in a Turkish dictionary (which hopefully does not mention both)?--Paul Pieniezny (talk) 15:27, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * "Hadise" doesn't have a meaning closer to "tale". It means "an event" or "an occurrence". see: this link, from one of Turkey's most visited (#53) websites. --joseph msg 18:55, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, the dictionary also has German translations, and it mentions "Geschichte", that is German for history, tale! Still, I find both "tale" and "event" rather bland as a name - I'd prefer phenomenon (though I agree that trouble would also work, but that would need far more explanation). I am still wondering what the source is for this event, occurrence. We cannot just use a dictionary, however good. We have to choose between event, occurrence, phenomenon, trouble ... That is self-research, WP:SYNTH and we cannot do that.--Paul Pieniezny (talk) 19:57, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * My mother language is Turkish. joseph is right, "hadise" means "happening, incident, occurrence". "tale" is something else. --Egek (talk) 23:30, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Depending on the context it can have different meanings. It is a turkish word from arabic origin. It means event, happening or if you say "hadise cikartmak" (olay cikartmak) it means making trouble. I can see how it could be translated as tale because you can say "hadise anlatmak" which means telling an event/tale but that is not a correct translation for hadise. Probably her parents named her hadise because her birth was a turningpoint/event in their lives. Maybe phenomenon could be used especially if you look at her success, although phenomenon is also not a correct translation. The correct translation is event/happening. Ibrahim4048 (talk) 02:24, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hadise homepage tells that the name means "a story"! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Christian47 (talk • contribs) 13:04, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter what her homepage says. I looked it up in the Turk Dil Kurumu Dictionary and it says exactly what I say . Turkish Wiktionary also gives the same results. It means event/happening and can also have other meanings like "trouble" depending on the context. Ibrahim4048 (talk) 00:20, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Birth date
There have been discussion about her birth place. Alright, here's about her birth day: When? 21st or 22nd October? It differs!--Christian47 (talk) 13:07, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Terrible English
Some parts of the article, especially this one about the new album, are written in a very terrible English. Could someone (maybe a native speaker) please look after it! Thank you! :) 88.217.63.52 (talk) 12:33, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

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