Talk:Hadith of Golden Chain

Article language edition
According to reviewer of the GA section, the language of the article should fixed so that it is capable of being presented to the world. I'm writing to ask Strivingsoul, whose useful edits I've noticed before, to make the required editions. Mhhossein (talk) 06:03, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Sourcing
The sources used for this article generally seems poor and not reliable for the statements they are supposed to support. Recognized theologian sources can be usable for religious doctrine per MOS, but not for statements on what actually happened at a given time in history. Only citing some religious source for a factual statement like "Twenty (or ten or thirty) thousands have narrated this event" is in complete disregard of WP:RELIABLE, because religious sources can not be trusted on anything other than their own opinion. Per WP:RSOPINION, such sources can sometimes be acceptable if they are explicitly attributed in the text (i.e. the difference between "God likes sick-minded and deranged forms of punishment&lt;ref&gt;Ayatollah Khomeini&lt;/ref&gt;" vs. "According to Ayatollah Khomeini, God likes sick-minded and deranged forms of punishment&lt;ref&gt;Ayatollah Khomeini&lt;/ref&gt;".)--Anders Feder (talk) 02:12, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Anders Feder You would simply notice that, the citation used to support "Twenty (or ten or thirty) thousands have narrated this event", refers to an academic and hence reliable source. Any other comments? Mhhossein (talk) 06:35, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * What is academic about it?--Anders Feder (talk) 08:12, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Anders Feder: A peer reviewed journal! Mhhossein (talk) 04:11, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * What is the name of the journal, who are the peers reviewing it, and who considers it to be reliable?--Anders Feder (talk) 04:16, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Anders Feder: Answers to your questions lie here. Oh sorry, you can't read Persian language, can you? Mhhossein (talk) 04:22, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter whether I can read Persian. This is the English Wikipedia, not the Farsi Wikipedia, so the burden is on you to provide the information in English.--Anders Feder (talk) 04:24, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Anders Feder: You could find a bilingual editor. I think seyyed verifies my claim. By the way, the burden is on us to provide reliable sources! Some times reliable sources are not found in English! Mhhossein (talk) 04:31, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * According to your user page you are a bilingual editor. Whether one of yours friends verifies your claim is not important - I am still waiting for your answer to my questions above in English.--Anders Feder (talk) 04:41, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

It is a reliable religious source, based on the magazine's website. However it says nothing about peer review which is common in the academic magazines. So as I understand, we can not consider it as an independent academic source. Therefor, we can just use it to verify Shia religious claims. I think should provide a reliable academic source which support historical facts from academic viewpoint.-- Seyyed(t-c) 09:13, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I thought that it's a peer reviewed journal because there's a definite editorial board for that. Mhhossein (talk) 08:21, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is an editorial board of experts, however it has not mentioned peer review. In addition, I could not find anything which let us consider it as an academic magazine accepted by the Iran's Ministry of Science.-- Seyyed(t-c) 08:45, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Could you please take a look at this? That is the author guide of the journal. It's mentioned that the articles are evaluated and that "..the articles are published if they are in accordance with the academic standards...". Does it change any thing? Mhhossein (talk) 10:10, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I disagree with you.-- Seyyed(t-c) 06:45, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

References and citations
I have started to add academic references and citations to the article. Please let me know of any thoughts. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 01:59, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Background
Some of the materials which are moved from the lead into the background are not really background! for example, "According to shia, two important points..." is not a background. Mhhossein (talk) 19:01, 7 February 2015 (UTC)