Talk:Hadith of the ten with glad tidings of paradise

I know that we are not supposed to overlink, but in this instance, i made a execption in order promote clarity. It was harder to distinguish the names and follow the list when they where de-linked, so i kined them all. I hope you agree with my arguement. --Striver 21:29, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

The Sunni view part of this article needs to be expanded, but i dont have the expertice to do that, so please help out. --Striver 14:29, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

rv
Do not delete info, do not alter quotes. --Striver 15:25, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Is this your idea of an encyclopedic article? --Imranal 15:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The article obviously is in bad shape, but removing sourced material is not the way to solve it. --Striver 18:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Academic view
I found the article in need of a academic view (away from the Sunni v Shia fuss) that is why I'm attending to summarize the arguement presented by YAZIGI, Maya, Hadith al-'asbara or The political uses of a tradition in Studia Islamica, vol. 86, pp. 159-167, 1997

Cheers,--Suhrawardi 00:49, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I don';t think this should be deleted--its one of the better hadith-based article.s perhaps some of the others should be merged in here. DGG (talk) 19:40, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I've always wanted to know who was in the "Ten Promised Paradise" and now that I have seen it, it makes me question the authenticity. How can people who have waged war against each other both go to paradise? Talha and Zubair fought in the Battle of Jamal against Ali, so one group had to be right while the other was wrong. Can this be simply passed off as a "misunderstanding" when so many Muslims died because of this war? Is there no accountability? I know this is not an academic argument because I am not using any references, but it makes one think how this list can be legitimate. Any thoughts? Jan 2011 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.138.188.99 (talk) 04:25, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * This is only a problem if you presuppose that Muhammad was a prophet who must have had foreknowledge of what would happen after his death. From the NPOV, there is no problem with the idea that he would promise Paradise to the ten men to whom he was closest.
 * This concept is linked to the idea of "notability". I agree that this is a notable hadith, simply because it has been so widely accepted by Sunni Muslims. Even if it is a forgery (I'm not buying into that argument - I've no idea whether it is or it isn't) it still explains which early Muslims are regarded as saints and are held up as examples to later generations. It is therefore a significant piece of Islamic history.Petra MacDonald 04:05, 25 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petra MacDonald (talk • contribs)

It raises the question of level of scrutiny applied by Tirmidhi in assessing the validity of this hadith. Considering that Tirmidhi lived almost 200 years after the battle of the camel, he would have known of the incident and everyone involved in the dispute. To quote this hadith would seem illogical knowing this information because he believed in Muhammad as a Prophet and therefore having knowledge of the future. Anyways, just food for thought. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.183.143.81 (talk)

'saad bin malik' stuff
As far as i remmember Saad bin Malik and saad bin Abi Waqas were the same person !

Saad bin abi waqas's father name was "Malik" therefore some time he was also reffer by this name. Abi Waqas was a traditional arabic name "Quniyah" of his father named after his eldest son. i am not so sure right now but i will confirm it and then make edits. Mohammad Adil 20:47, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Sa'd ibn abi Waqqas and Sa'd ibn Malik are the same person. Father is Sa'd is Abi Waqqas (Waqqas Malik or King Waqqas, accourding to different accounts). So, Sa'd is Sa'd ibn abi Waqqas. Full name of Sa'd is Abu Ishaq Waqqas. Further genesis as: Sa'd ibn Abi Waqqas Malik ibn Uhayb ibn 'Abdu Manaf ibn Zuhra ibn Kilab ibn Murra ibn Ka'b ibn Lu'ayy al-Qurashi az-Zuhri (from Zuhri clan) [see: www.whymuhammad.com/es/Contents.aspx?AID=2913; http://www.123people.co.uk/s/waqqas+malik] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mandal Singh (talk • contribs) 10:52, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Sad
Folks, if you have a page on Islam where even the "Sunni" section is filled with Shi'a perspectives, I smell bias. Let's grow up folks.

The ten promised jannah is a "Sunni" concept (these Sahaba, except of course for Ali, are entirely disregarded by the Shi'a), and I don't know why Shi'a rhetoric is on this page. I would find it logical if the Shi'a address their concerns regarding the Sahaba on a separate page where things are clearly labeled and not put up pages addressing Sunni concepts and putting their own take on them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.229.236.247 (talk) 18:21, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Zubair ibn al-Awam
hey where is Zubair ibn al-Awam's article ???? it seems it has been merged with this hadith's article. can any body find it ?

Zubair ibn al-Awam
hey where is Zubair ibn al-Awam's article ???? it seems it has been merged with this hadith's article. can any body find it ? Mohammad Adil (talk) 07:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Az-Zubair
hi, When you write Az-Zubair, it opens this article, other then article of Zubair ibn al-Awam. I am removing the link of Hadith of ten promised from the Az-Zubair, and moving this title Az-Zubair to its appropriate article Zubair ibn al-Awam Colossal (talk) 17:19, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Correct Reference
This article needs a reference to give a concrete credibility to this hadith. This is Hadith 4649 and 4650 in Tirmizi. Or perhaps it is al-Tirmithi, under #3748 al-Tirmithi, Volume 5, Page 605, Hadith 3748 abu Daoud, #4649 and #4650. Add the reference if possible. There are possibly difference narrations as well. They should be accounted for too.  Hamza  [ talk ]  10:01, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

the Bukhari reference
You say that there's a hadith in Bukhari book 31,h6067. But the link goes to book of Muslim (which indeed has this hadith).

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