Talk:Hafiz (Quran)

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Does anyone have a source for the statement that 10 million people are believed to have memorized the Qur'an? I believe it was added by Zain. Many thanks, SlimVirgin 03:31, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)

The article could consider questions as: What? When? Where? Who? Whom? Whose? Why? and How?--Anaccuratesource (talk) 04:02, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

uses of hafiz
with the idea that each hafiz grants heaven to ten people it occurs to me that a bunch of hafizes creates middle east peace; memorization ability is hereditary; if islamic families were to use freeze dried donor gametes from those with high mental abilities then there would be large numbers of hafiz thoughout the middle eastas a bonus is that it is possible that this everyone goes to heaven from eugenics approach might create more thoughtful people generally

I am also strongly supportive of female hafiz as this ability gives strength with voice to islamic females

there is writing about this idea at http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/a_20bunch_20of_20hafizes_20creates_20middle_20east_20peace the writing is rude but kind —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.65.178.53 (talk) 09:18, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Dead link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.182.134.93 (talk) 18:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Rewrite
The article was very Muslim-POV; I've given it a springcleaning. I removed the stats re number of huffaz, as there's absolutely no way of verifying them. The hadith need links to the MCSA hadith page. More external links would be nice too. Perhaps a picture of a hafiz reciting? Zora 01:00, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Suggest Merging with Hafez
Since this has the same spelling as the Sufi master poet, is it possible to merge the two? Or you can leave it as it is.


 * you wouldnt want to merge em. just make a disambiguation page. Yung Wei 03:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Question on detail and further sources
I am curious to know about Gender and hafiz. Do women ever become Hafiz. It would also be good if some sources were cited that actually give more information. This topic is actually in need of elaboration as it is a common occurence and yet little information is really give. Please can others help? --Peej 05:53, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

even 6 year old girl can became Hafiz. 89.49.149.44 19:00, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Hafiz simply refers to anyone who memorizes the Quran completely, whether male or female. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.160.46 (talk) 05:32, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

No, we don't need a list of hafiz
Millions of people are and have been hafiz. A list is completely pointless. Zora 02:50, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Millions of people are also left-handed people. I view the list as very productive, much more so than List of democrats, List of war criminals or List of criminals by nickname.--Striver 12:33, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * One dumb decision doesn't necessitate another. Some people on Wikipedia like making lists, which gives the illusion of useful work and research without being of the slightest use or interest to readers. Zora 19:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * , . --Striver 20:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * A list of Hafiz would be nice, but as a seperate article, IMO... Maybe even as a category. Ramadan Mubarak all, BTW. --Irishpunktom\talk 20:11, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I would say it's relatively useless. But I think the other lists give precedent to create it?  Please make it on a different page, however, and make sure the stuff is cited.  That way there will be only one link on this page to List of hafiz.  I would agree with Zora that it is an illusion for useful research but that's a lot of what Wikipedia is.  It's trivia lists is one thing that has made it so popular.  So, I don't see a problem on a separate page--but let good research reign on this one. gren グレン 20:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * So far, i have only added people whose artile explicitly have said that they had memorized the Qur'an, and not simply were labeled "hafiz". And even in those cases, i made sure to add Fact when no direct source was state. Is that good enough for starters? Should i take that as i am being told to creat List of hafiz? I would hate to create it, and then have it afd'd and not receiving support, that is why i started it small on this article. --Striver 21:10, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I am not saying you should create it. I'm saying it shouldn't be on this page and disagreeing with Zora that it shouldn't be created.  There are tons of lists like that aren't particularly useful but aren't harmful in my opinion.  I do think it's harmful in the article but I don't have a problem with the list providing you keep it sourced.  But, I'm not telling you to create it. gren グレン 03:36, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think it would fail an AFD. --Irishpunktom\talk 10:00, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, then ill go ahead. Thanks for the input. --Striver 12:47, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Rob a picture from the BBC?
See this Link here? Can we rob that picture of that poor girl, Amina Abdul-Majid from Somalia? --Irishpunktom\talk 20:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It wouldn't be fair use in this article. If you made an article about her it would be... but, she's not really notable enough for one. gren グレン 20:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * BBC having " Somali girl wins Koran recitation" not notable? When does it become notable?--Striver 21:13, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Historical, cleaning
In the material which was added in September, it was stated in Wikivoice as an historical fact that Muhammad recited consulted with the angel Gabriel each Ramadan to confirm that he had the whole Quran memorized. There's no reliable source which would affirm such a thing as fact. Similarly the rest of the material was entirely written just to affirm the non-scholarly, religious claim that the text is perfectly preserved and that the huffaz now recite the "Quran the way it was recited by Muhammad" etc. I've mainly cleared this material out, rather than try to make it neutral. This is because making it neutral would just involve covering the scholarship on textual and historical criticism of the Quran, which wouldn't belong in this article. -- Atethnekos (Discussion, Contributions) 17:36, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Issue with the sentence "Literally meaning 'guardian'"
The term "hafiz" is the active participle of a common Arabic verb that corresponds to several English verbs, including "preserve," "abide by," "maintain," and "protect." However in this particular context, this verb's literal meaning is "to commit to memory through rote learning." Therefore a Hafiz is literally "a person who memorizes (the Qur'an)."96.33.227.245 (talk) 02:36, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Sufficient?
"For individuals with dyslexia or other learning difficulties, it is sufficient to alternatively say: subhan Allah, alhamdulillah, the shahadah, the takbir, the hawqala, respectively meaning Exalted and perfect is Allah. All praise and thanks be to Allah. There is none worthy of worship except Allah. Allah is the greatest. There is no power or might except in Allah.[5]"

This reads awkwardly. Surely it is not a matter of sufficiency to be a hafiz even if one does not have learning difficulties? One would be "sufficient" without having memorized the Quran either way. And I doubt that being able to repeat that counts as sufficient to be considered a hafiz if you do have learning difficulties. If you don't have something memorized you don't have something memorized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaserShark (talk • contribs) 19:37, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

"حفظ" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect حفظ and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 21 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Doug Weller talk 08:29, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Hifz
Did Hifz remember that when Allâh Ta'âlâ said Be awake not only at night but in the day 197.229.140.134 (talk) 19:36, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

'the only book'
The article says, "The Quran is the only book, religious or secular, that has been memorized completely by millions of people," and gives as its reference "Beyond the Written Word", p 80. That book mentions memorization on pages 79-80, saying "For countless millions of Muslims over more than thirteen centuries of Islamic history, ‘scripture’, al-kitáb, has been a book learned, read, and passed on by vocal repetition and memorization." There is no other reference to memorization on that page. Thus, the statement in the referenced book does not support the inference that millions memorized completely. That many have memorized the Qur’án is an undoubted fact, attested by a number of sources, but perhaps the statement in the article would need rather better support, both for the "only" and the "millions", or a slight revision. Mirgy (talk) 20:44, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

See also addition
I think there's a term that refers to someone who has memorized both the Quran but also Hadiths as well, if my memory serves me it's on a Wikipedia page but I cannot recall which. It might be useful to add this to the See Also page. NoneStar (talk) 07:39, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

I want to be a Hafiz
حافظ 103.167.255.59 (talk) 11:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)