Talk:Haiku-Pauwela, Hawaii

Haiku and Haiku-Pauwela
Can anyone verify whether "Haiku, Hawaii" is exactly the same place as "Haiku-Pauwela, Hawaii"? After some quick Google searching, I've discovered that most websites seem to have knowledge only of one or the other. But pages for Haiku, Haiku-Pauwela, and Pauwela on PlacesNamed.com list slightly different latitude and longitude coordinates (though as the site doesn't appear to speak with any authority, I don't know that we should rely on it to settle that sort of question), and says:


 * A staff review of the proposal reveals that Haiku-Pauwela is listed as a census designated place in the 1990 U.S. Census which attributes it with a population of 4,509.  According to the 1995 Rand McNally Commercial Atlas and Marketing Guide, Haiku is separately attributed with a population of 1,100.  Additionally, we have determined that Haiku contains churches, schools, and numerous commercial establishments, and is the distribution center for Pauwela's mail service.

The US Postal Service site can only give me a ZIP code for "Haiku", not "Haiku-Pauwela" or "Pauwela". If the two names refer to different towns, we should make an article for Haiku, Hawaii. If they refer to the exact same place, we should make that article and redirect it to this one. If they are not quite the same&mdash;perhaps one is a region of the other&mdash;we should explain that in the article, and still make the redirect. &mdash;Triskaideka 15:34, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

ACK! I spent way more time on this than I expected to, while still not coming close to any sort of answer. :-(

My best guess so far is that Haiku-Pauwela is some sort of Census Dept. grouping while Haiku and Pauwela are two separate towns or communities. As far as I can tell, the County of Maui is run sort of like a very large city with separate eight community districts within Maui County, with Paia-Haiku being one of them. If that's true, then there are probably lots of place names in Maui, and maybe most of Hawaii, that we need to be changed, fixed, added, etc.

The best bet may be to try to contact some place local, like the Haiku Elementary School, and see if we can get some students there to help us. I'm going to be signing off of the internet for about 10 hours, but I'll probably try to find out some more later today or tomorrow.

[Geographic Names Information System (GNIS)] [U.S. Census Bureau's Tiger Map Server for Haiku Elementary School] [Maui Visitors Bureau] [Maui Chamber of Commerce] gK 18:10, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I now have a better answer. I should have thought to rely upon the experts here at the Wikipedia sooner. ;-) See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cities/Archive_3.


 * "There are no incorporated places in Hawaii. Census data is reported at the county and census-designated place (CDP) levels." see  Nelson Ricardo

That means that there probably should also be seperate Wikipedia articles for Haiku, Hawaii, Pauwela, Hawaii, and Paia, Hawaii just to cover this one area of the island of Maui, Hawaii. gK [[User talk:GK|&iquest;?]] 07:42, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Maybe so&mdash;not that we have any information about the place/s except census data, so far. The latest edit here, which switched from calling it a town to calling it a "census-designated place", is probably sufficient for the scope of this article.  If/when separate articles on Haiku and Pauwela are written, then this should link to them.   &mdash;Triskaideka 15:48, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

--- I used to live in haiku, i think i can answer this- they are kind of the same thing. Pauwela was some sort of cannery (probably pineapple), a long time ago. But it was more of a mini town, people lived in Pauwela and they even had their own money. But that does not exist anymore, just the town of haiku. I cant cite any sources but i know if you look it up in the RED BOOK of coin prices you will find Pauwela coins. I remember seeing the remains of BIG warehouse type buildings, in the 80"s