Talk:Hair (musical)

Vocal ranges
Today I deleted the table with vocal ranges. Per WP:MT: "Vocal ranges for musicals articles should generally not be included in character lists unless a consensus of editors working on the article is obtained." I ask that a consensus be obtained before these ranges are entered into the article. Flami72 (talk) 19:42, 18 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I do not believe that listing vocal ranges for this musical would be helpful. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:49, 19 July 2018 (UTC)


 * OK. Flami72 (talk) 19:15, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Casting tables
Casting tables are not very helpful and encourage fancruft. Only the original Broadway cast (and in cases like this, or Little Shop, where the Off-Broadway production was particularly significant, the Off-Broadway cast) should be separately broken out in a list or table. Other important cast members are listed in the narrative production sections. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:47, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree. Flami72 (talk) 19:15, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The thing I "fixed" on the casting table was just the way the way the headings were designed. It looked a little messy. Just cleaned them up and made them simple. Other casting tables look similar to this. For example, Back to The Future has a similar table design. I'm sorry I was not clear in the original reverted edit. Smitty1999 (talk) 13:56, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I do not think your changes to the casting tables in numerous articles have been an improvement. They make the tables even more boated.  So, no, you are not "fixing" anything. -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:36, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Ssilvers ok, fair, but I do not see anything wrong with the way I re-formated them. If you don't wanna call it "fixing," then just call it re-formatting. There's nothing wrong with that. I just thought it looked neater in that format. Smitty1999 (talk) 14:42, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Ssilvers is there a way we can find some common ground on this? Smitty1999 (talk) 14:52, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You should have opened a discussion at WP:MUSICALS to see if others preferred the older style, without the extra boxes for dates, and your longer style of column headings before launching into a project to make these changes to numerous articles. I told you that I objected to your changes in numerous edit summaries when you started doing this.  If you opened a talk page discussion at WP:MUSICALS, you would have known if others agreed or disagreed with you.  I would prefer that all the noteworthy info about casting (other than the cast of the first major production) should be entirely in the Productions sections.  Therefore, I see anything that makes the tables bigger and longer is bad, and anything that makes them more concise or eliminates redundant info is good.  Others may disagree, but you will never know unless you open a discussion at WP:MUSICALS. By the way, you don't need to keep pinging me.  I am watching this page. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:42, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that information. I will start a discussion on WP:MUSICALS. Smitty1999 (talk) 20:42, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:06, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Productions
2011 was part of the 2009 production and is already efficiently described at the end of that section. The 2007/2008 Shakespeare in the Park concerts were part of the 40th anniversary celebration, and I do not believe that they were especially noteworthy, considering the hundreds of professional productions of this musical. This article is long enough without listing every production; we need to exercise editorial judgment to decide what is the most important information to include in our articles. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:56, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I now agree!!Flami72 (talk) 19:15, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

First non-Shakespeare production
The claim that Hair was Papp's 'first non-Shakespeare production' can't be correct. There was a presentation of Electra in August, 1964 in the Delacorte theater, by the New York Shakespeare festival (per New York Times article). It is identified by the Times writer as 'the first time the festival has departed from Shakespeare'. The 1964 Electra is already incuded in List of Shakespeare in the Park productions at the Delacorte Theater. EdJohnston (talk) 02:11, 5 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 07:35, 5 August 2018 (UTC)