Talk:Hair care

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Alcohol consumption
I have twice removed a statement by an anonymous editor that excessive consumption of alcohol helps hair quality. Please add a citation if replacing this material in the future. Thank you. -- Creidieki 19:21, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Disagreement with Merge Idea
I think this current 'Hair Care' article should become 'Modern Hair Care' (as it all so far seems related to modern hair care anyway) and leave the 'Hair Washing' article to the very basics of hair washing is, and particularly focus more on the history of hair washing. For instance, how did people wash their hair a thousand years ago and what types of cleaning materials might they have used? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Strawberry Pudding Wings (talk • contribs) 20:34, April 16, 2006

Re: Disagreement with merge idea
I agree with the above comments, that sort of thing should be in a seperate article, and that the hair washing one should have more on its history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.159.41 (talk • contribs) 09:53, October 22, 2006

Naming of article
There are lots of ways this can be discussed. For one, much of hair washing is really about hygiene as it relates to the cleanliness of the scalp--and always has, even historically. If scalp skin is not cleansed, various sorts of issues can arise. So perhaps, in a way, I agree with some of this idea of naming the top properly. The only problem with 'Modern Hair Care' is that will one find it by searching on just 'hair care' keyword? I assume yes. (I have some interesting old books from the 20s and even 40s about dandruff alone that would make people howl with laughter today!)

When mentioning the parameters of what affects growth of hair, there is a LOT to know. For example, I would remove "age" and instead insert "hormones" because hair is all about genetics and hormones and hormones is much more specific to the idea that age has something to do with hair growth rates. Example: if a woman has cystic ovaries (polycystic fibrosis I think it's called) she may well experience hair thinning and shedding. If she has a thyroid condition (highly underdiagnosed in the US alone!), her hair will shed rapidly, a lot of it, and possibly in whole chunks. If a person is even borderline anemic, it can possibly result in a rather chronic case of hair loss which in turn can result in thinning after a time. Both men and women can experience what we commonly refer to as male pattern baldness.

I am not sure how to participate in this forum but I can help you improve this subject vastly. I can provide you, possibly, with sources too but I don't know what Wikipedia counts as a valid source. I mean, is another internet site viable? There are some good sites out there!

For example, on the point of perming the hair, I don't know how into it you want to go, but at minimum, and even if this topic gets bifurcated such as there's a mention on this page with a link to another area of Wikipedia concerning just hair permanents (that's a whole topic!).....it should at least be mentioned that one should NOT perm their hair and color their hair in the same session or likely within days of each other as the hair can become overprocessed and actually break. (It goes to porosity.) Certainly a few weeks should be inserted at minimum between these two procedures.

There are several areas in this subject that I would recommend re-wording. For example, stating in the opener that cutting hair strengthens hair....not necessarily so. It all depends on definition. What keeps hair 'strong' is not cutting; rather, proper washing, conditioning, detangling, and a biggie! moisture that is appropriate for one's hair type (there's a topic in and of itself. Hair care is very much about hair type:  what works for one hair type does not work for another (curly v. straight hair -- one parameter of hair type -- very different mechanisms. colored v. virgin hair very different needs)...and with the mixing of races, we are getting new hair types, too! Don't interpret me as racist....this is a very interesting subject and in time will be discussed in the beauty salon).

We could discuss detangling tools with images. We could discuss the proper use of a Boar Bristle Brush (boy-o is that ever a misunderstood topic).

About this splits business...yes, removing splits can improve the integrity and health of hair overall but it doesn't necessarily strengthen the hair if the hair is in bad shape (say, oh, lack of porosity, or in general, the person doesn't condition--oh that's another topic: to condition scalp skin or not...goes to pH.) Certainly overly damaged hair with lots of various sorts of splits (and not all damage is a neat y split, and moreover not all splits behave well and occur just at the last few inches of hair length; damage can occur anywhere in the hair length)...if splits exist, these are areas where the cuticle is in process of breaking down or completely blown (as is the case with appears to be and is referred to as a white dot)....they are rough to the touch, and don't shine (protective cuticle sheath is gone or compromised)...and they can also rub against fellow hairs and in turn cause damage to those hairs (but not always).

Also, hair is like a tree: the oldest hair is at the bottom of length, the next youngest is above that, and hair closest to the scalp skin is quite young. So a long haired individual could have hair that ranges over a span of 10 years. By the time the hair on the tips has been around for a while, just regular care, even if it's quality in the details, will be a bit broken down in parts and this explains why splits and white dots and thinning occurs most in the end zone. Naturally, those with shorter lengths rarely experience this except for this: if they color and perm the hair often, in time, with repeated applications, there's no recouping that broken down cuticle. Those who flat iron, even if they use the safety gels and what not, they're going to have serious problems because hair is an organic fiber, and once it's damaged that's it. One can't glue the cuticle back together. Fiber isn't like that. Flat iron people often have breakage and a lot of white dots, especially once they examine their hair sans the silicon styling products which inlay the shine. Silicone, with repeated use, will also cause damage. It's the stuff used in ads and TV hair commercials to impart that incredible shine so it shows well in the light.

I don't know how to participate in this discuss and what parameters you'd like to include in this vast subject...as in, where do you want to stop it? or expand it? heidi_woeller@yahoo.com FYI I am not a licensed cosmetologist, but I know a few things that may well help you guys out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.148.248.31 (talk • contribs) 22:59, November 2, 2006

Toxins?
Does sweating truly rinse out 'toxins'? This should be looked into. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.233.208.82 (talk • contribs) 01:46, May 3, 2006

Cleanup
I am tempted to delete the entire section that is written in the second person, because Wikipedia is not a how-to-manual. But of course there is a lot material there, so perhaps some of it is salvageable. I'm further tempted to put this up for AfD because I think it might be better if it is scrapped and started from scratch. But that's not a good reason for deletion. Does anybody have any suggestions? Katr67 23:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree that cleanup could be done particularly regarding readability, but do not agree to scrapping. While one of the detractions may be point of view (POV), it's relevant to understand that hair care is a huge and vast subject, covering wide sprectrums of the population, and every culture has its own methodologies, and even medically there are methodologies. No one way, such as the western notion of just wash the hair every day, is sufficient. Let's begin with the idea that there are an incredible variety of hair types from texture, to curl, and each one has its own needs for care. If the scalp skin is having any issues, and plenty in the world do have issues (shall we speak of dandruff) then hair care demands change. Hmmm. Not a how to. hmmm. It might be acceptable in this instance to allow some of that to show because this may be one of the few places on the internet that one can get a decent overview of the subject. (e.g., single dad's that have no idea how to care for a child's hair). Feel free to contact me at heidi_woeller@yahoo.com. Willing to consider major editing within Wikipedia's guidelines, but would like to offer input on various objections that may be posited to argue the reasoning, and possibly work WITH wikipedia to organize better and within the guidelines since I don't know that part. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User: (talk • contribs)

I've copied this article into a subpage in my sandbox and have been working on cleaning it up, subcategorizing it, and removing superfluous content. I can't "do it all," as they say, but once I've molded it into something more manageable, I'll merge it back with the main page so that further cleanup can be done. So far, I've noticed that there is a significant amount of information on some subjects within this article that would be most beneficially merged with related articles. As I go through and organize the content, I'm trying to tag such information as such so that it can be taken care of later either by me or some other kind and motivated soul. LaMenta3 06:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I've just found this page and noted that some of the information is either wrong or very vague. I have edited two sections to make them more factual based, but I will need to go back and add citations at some stage, or someone else can if they want to. Hint Hint. Any qualified hairdresser should be able to explain what is going on with the hair scientifically. Please make sure statements are supported by science and research in the future as unsupported statements are confusing. Work needs to be done on most sections as there is information all over the place that is misleading or wrong. FarmgirlNZ 09:35, 23 August 2010

Shorten the intro/overview?
I think the beginning of the article should be shortened as it is quite long compared to other articles. I think it should just be a summary of the article or topic in question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.120.248.128 (talk) 23:16, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Why is the NPOV tag on this article...
Is there any part of this article that is biased in anyway? I think it should be replaced with another tag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.169.41.34 (talk) 01:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I didn't see anything, I skimmed, but still, it doesn't make sense. Wikified definitely, but I don't think it's POV. --Jammoe (talk) 03:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * agreed, tag removed --UltraMagnus (talk) 20:40, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Packaging
User Delianet added a whole bunch of stuff about packaging, which has nothing to do with haircare per se. Delianet's user contribution page reveals the addition of this material to various pages with the same or similar text aiming to directly advertise a particular company's service or product, contributed in the last few days. These contributions have been deleted from the Hair Care page. 69.178.142.131 (talk) 22:14, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Clean Up
I'm thinking that much of this article just needs to be completely taken out. I may get to work on it. Revert or edit my edits if there's something you don't like about 'em. Oracle GreenDiamond (talk) 07:57, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Editing
I just edited the whole article by removing the advisory parts, the ones which said how to wash and how to condition and how to detangle and so on. I am sure there is more to be done here though. Anupamar (talk) 09:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

There's no reference in a huge part of the text... let's keep it from becoming Yahoo Answer 38.108.65.109 (talk) 20:19, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Frequency
This might sound random, but my freinds and I were talking about how often you must wash your hair, and we all disagreed. Ranging from everyday to twice a week. Could someone include a section on how frequently most people wash their hair. Bobzooka (talk) 08:27, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikify Tag
I removed the tag. I feel the article no longer needs to be wikified, however could probably still use some cleanup. If you disagree feel free to re-add the tag or drop me a message. Bvlax2005 (talk) 11:44, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Nutrition
The only reference in the nutrition section is to a web site, which does not seem to rely on scientifically verified medical information. I am dubious that it is accurate, especially since hair is not mentioned in our articles on Vitamin B12 and anemia. Can anyone supply any reliable sources? -- Beland (talk) 06:07, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

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