Talk:Hajji Ebrahim Shirazi

Harv error
Citation 35 points to nowhere and there is no such text cited under the Bibliography section. Could you please fix this? ─ The Aafī   (talk)|undefined  14:52, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amir Ghandi (talk • contribs)

Spotchecks
, I realized after I promoted this that I should have done some spotchecks. I've just run the Earwig tool and it's found some similarities between the article text and one of the sources, the Encyclopedia Iranica article. There are some short phrases that are duplicated:
 * "survival of his own throne depended on"
 * Done
 * "a league of semi-autonomous cities and tribal regions"
 * I changed league to confederation. Should I change it further?
 * Yes, I would recommend it. What you did for "a survival of his own throne" above is perfect -- a complete rewrite using different words.  Here you might have to change the whole sentence surrounding it in order to be able to change it as much as needed.  You may not be able to avoid using e.g. "tribal regions" or "cities". Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 11:22, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Done


 * "false messages sewn inside the sole of one of his boots"
 * Done


 * "Once the courtier was arrested and his messages discovered"
 * Done

Then there are longer strings of text that have been slightly changed:
 * Article: "Ebrahim wrote a letter to Agha Mohammad Khan offering him a gift of 3,000 mares and requesting him, on behalf of the people of Fars, to be their new ruler". Source: "then sent an emissary, Moḥammadqolī Khan Qašqāʾī, to Āqā Moḥammad Khan Qājār, offering him a gift of 3,000 mares from a Zand stud and requesting him, on behalf of the people of Fārs, to be their new ruler".
 * Done


 * Article: "Agha Mohammad Khan rewarded Ebrahim, his family, and his followers with favors but committed more acts of violence against the city's inhabitants". Source: "although he rewarded the Kalāntar, his family, and his followers with favors, he committed more acts of violence against the inhabitants".
 * Done


 * Article: " change his own "plain and downright" nature and that a lenient course would not assuage his opponents or decelerate the approach of his fate". Source: "change his own “plain and downright” nature nor would a lenient course assuage his opponents or decelerate the approach of his fate"
 * Done

I'll also be doing spotchecks of the other sources. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:14, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Article: 'John Malcolm, who was on intimate terms with Ebrahim, praised him as "truly a great man, a genius, and one of the best statesmen Persia has ever had"' [which positions the quotes incorrectly]. Source: 'Malcolm, who was on intimate terms with him, praised him as a “truly a great man,” a genius, and one of the best statesmen Persia has ever had'.
 * This one is more of a quote. I don't see the necessity to change it. Amir Ghandi (talk) 13:20, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The quote from Malcolm is just "truly a great man"; the article has the close quote in the wrong place. The rest is taken from the source and isn't attributed as a quote. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 13:35, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Done
 * Amir Ghandi (talk) 13:42, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , these still need to be addressed. The rewrite of the sentences related to the courier wasn't enough; you just changed a couple of words to synonyms.  I did another rewrite to give you an idea of what's needed.  Can you do something similar to the other sentences with problems? Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 12:39, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Mike Christie Sorry it took so long, I forgot about this.
 * Amir Ghandi (talk) 13:43, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem. I've struck all but one above.  The problem with that one is that you have the quote wrong.  The quote from Malcolm is "truly a great man", it is not "truly a great man, a genius, and one of the best statesmen Persia has ever had".  The source you're taking it from has that extra text and you would have to quote that source, not quote Malcolm, if you want to reuse that wording. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 14:47, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Amended it now; any thoughts? Amir Ghandi (talk) 14:53, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think that works, but it's really hard to paraphrase because it's a quote within a quote. How about we just quote the immediate source, moving it earlier to connect it to the previous mention of Amanat?  E.g. According to Abbas Amanat, Ebrahim is "the least understood statesman of modern Persian history", and Amanat adds John Malcolm's opinion: "Malcolm, who was on intimate terms with him, praised him as a 'truly a great man,' a genius, and one of the best statesmen Persia has ever had".? Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 15:01, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Fine with me; done. Amir Ghandi (talk) 15:08, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks good; thanks for fixing these. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:25, 19 September 2022 (UTC)