Talk:Hakkâri (city)

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Assyrians
Assyrians are indogenous people to Hakkari! Who is putting in Assyrian POV in everyarticle!?!?


 * First of all, when you are writing in wikipedia close off with 4 tidles (~) to show your identity. Don't make me come over to east turkey and chop your fingers off. Second, the asuri christians are native of anatolia, unlike you indo-iranians who migrated to the mountanous areas of present day north iraq. Untill 1915 you did not have anything to do with turkey, let alone claiming parts of it. The majority of these assyrian christians look anatolian and could easily mengle with the turkish population of turkey which is also in majority native to its homeland (excluding kurds). As a turk I am of the opinion that you kurds should be exiled to iraq in return for the assyrian christians who left in wwI. Exiling our anatolian brothers and sisters was a big mistake which was only because we thought they were armenian. And Hakkari is indeed a homeland of the assyrian christian, just as the provinces of urfa, diyarbakir, batman, bitlis and siirt. End of story. 77.250.189.211 (talk) 04:53, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

"85% Assyrians lived in surrounding Hakkari"
(This is not a denial that they were in majority or that there wasn't a genocide.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.105.159.74 (talk • contribs) 10:31, 21 November 2006.


 * I agree. I dont know who added this. But the point the person was trying to make that that number of Assyrians were much higher 100 years ago in Hakkari then it is today. I remember reading quite a few books stating that Hakkari had a Christian majority and had a population in the hundred of thousand, but that Christian population had Armenian elements as well Chaldean 03:08, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, then let's remove that false sentence. Awat 21:08, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Hakkâri
This page should be moved to Hakkâri (note the surconflex on the second a). I think I've fixed the misspelling everywhere else. Xemxi

Genocide
Great part of Christian people in the area, were killed by the Muslims during the Armenian Genocide and Assyrian Genocide.

is better.

Maybe most of slaughters could be Kurdish, but ethnic identities of Kurds, Turks ... were not established. And they called themselves Muslim. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 14:53, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * ethnic identities were not established ? Of course... --82.236.107.61 (talk) 15:11, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Tabi. Kendilerini müslüman olarak tanımlıyorlardı. Kaynaklara bakıldığında Soykırımı işleyen, Balkan ve Kafkas göçmenleri (Balkan göçmenlerin büyük bir çoğunluğu Türk ama yine kendilerini müslüman olarak tanımlıyorlardı). Birde Hamidiye Alayları ise Kürt (bunlar da yine müslüman). Ama burada Kurds dediğimiz zaman gayri-müslüm Kürtleri de dahil edilmiş olacak. Neyse ben kaynaklandıracağım. Ancak Bedirhan Massacre için Kürt aşiretlerinden olduğu belirtileblir. Takabeg (talk) 15:30, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't understand, please speak english --82.236.107.61 (talk) 15:36, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

'Genocide'
Most of the Genocide by done by the 'Hamidiye Alaylari-Kurdish".

If your not happy deal with it, this is not a place for you to spread propaganda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurdwiki (talk • contribs) 19:07, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It was done by regular Ottoman Army and Kurdish irregulars. I am not the one who added that peice of info and you are the one who blanked the section and you start accusing people of spreading agendas! p.s. please sign your comments with 4 tildes.--  R a f y  talk 19:14, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not spreading propaganda, you so called 'Assyrians' are spreading propaganda with clear indication that you have claim on the land (Funny I know), like I said, it was done by Muslims! and the ethnicity of the people was insignificant!

Maybe we should break down the American army into groups and discuss how a Latino, Italian, Irish etc people did what? what ever the american army does is in the name of America, you can't blame the different ethnic groups with in, likewise what ever the ottomans did was in the name of the ottoman empire and not Kurdish nationalism.

Don't revert it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurdwiki (talk • contribs) 19:20, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't feel but to feel that I'm being trolled by a Kurdish nationalist who doesn't sign his posts. I am not claiming any lands, I am not asking any one to apologise or repent, there are simply some reliable info that are related and it can be added here. If you have a source that claims that Kurdish irregulars weren't involved then please do add it. Otherwise I will revert (exclamation mark)--  R a f y  talk 19:32, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Your the one doing the trolling, I don't see why an article about a city needs that information anyway. Like I explained to you above, I'm not denying the Kurds may have took part, however they did so in the name of the ottomans and ethnic groups were insignificant! so I don't see why you need to list the ethnic groups with in the ottoman army, like I said America too has many groups in their armed forces, do you see people listing them? no, therefor you can't list the ottoman army groups. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurdwiki (talk • contribs) 19:38, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * But they were not part of the regular Ottoman Army since they had a semi-autonomous status. Those areas were even claimed by Kurdish leaders to be part of an independent Kurdish state at the ensuing peace conference.--  R a f y  talk 19:46, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Did they or did they not join the ottomans? what do you know? average nationalist Kurds were also affected if you didn't know, so like I said we will leave it as the ottoman army as that's what it was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurdwiki (talk • contribs) 19:48, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * They joined as a independent party just like the UK joined the US in its war, should we consider them both as one party? Anyway your arguments don't make sense so I'm considering you edits WP:BF, please dont revert back otherwise you will be breaking the WP:3RR.--  R a f y  talk 20:23, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Historical Hakkari article
I intend on creating a kind of a fork article of the historical region known as Hakkari. Just like how it's done with Nineveh and Ninawa Governorate, Macedonia (country) and Macedonia (region)...etc. This would mean however that all wikilinks that deal with a period prior to the formation of modern Turkey will be directed to the new article. Does anyone have objections here? --  R a f y  talk 14:02, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It probably depends on the focus of the article. If it is more focused on pre-Ottoman history, then I think the current links should go to the modern Turkey version since there is a continuity between the Ottoman sancak of Hakkari and the modern province of Hakkari. If it is more on the Ottoman period, then I think your suggestion is best. If it is a mix of both then it's hard to say until it is written! You might want to create it and then ask again before changing any links. Ordtoy (talk) 14:47, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Great, I will start the article soon. I think however that the region wasn't confined with a specific administrative region during the Ottoman rule. Some of the literature I read depicts Hakkari encompassing parts of Mosul and Van vilayets.--  R a f y  talk 21:46, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * If I'm not mistaken the Ottoman sandjak (which was in Van vilayet) is more or less equivalent to today's province except for a few small parts on the border which are in Iraq (at the time Mosul vilayet). This needs proper verification. Ordtoy (talk) 00:47, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

✅. I have redirected all modern occurrences of the name to this article--  R a f y  talk 05:35, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Spelling
Should this page really be spelled with an "â" since it is not in the official name? I suggest we change it to "Hakkari". I don't see any reason to keep it like this since it is an unofficial spelling.

Best regards Ashurpedia (talk) 15:40, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The official spelling has an "â" in it according to TDK

Move discussion in progress
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Kurdish propaganda
It's not possible to add anything related to Assyrians, which are the Indigenous people of Hakkari, without it getting deleted by random wikipedia accounts. It's very disappointing that the admins don't do anything against it and allow Kurds to spread their propaganda on these articles. I edited the real meaning of Hakkari with word books of Universities, but the change got deleted. On the other article that I edited about Hakkari, the Syriac name got deleted. It's very disappointing that Wikipedia allows Kurdish propaganda to dwell on such articles that discriminate the Assyrian people. FalitoMardinoyo47 (talk) 10:17, 3 June 2024 (UTC)