Talk:Halesowen Railway

A work in Progress (27/12/2009 - 01:42hrs GMT) Dottorre

Page complete as far as it is a rough guide to the line (28/12/2009 - 22:13 GMT) Dottorre —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dottorre (talk • contribs) 22:13, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Ownership
As I understand it, the Halesowen Joint Railway only covered the part south of Halesowen. North of Halesowen it was GWR. Biscuittin (talk) 13:06, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Early history
There is quite a lot of missing information. According to this the Act authorising the construction of the line was passed about 1865, long before the GWR opened its Old Hill to Halesowen branch. So, exactly what was authorised in 1865? Did the independent company complete the line or did it fail before the line opened? If it did complete the line, and ran trains, then it must have had running powers over the Midland Railway to Northfield. Biscuittin (talk) 17:04, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I think this might be the relevant Act: "ccxxxiii. An Act to incorporate a Company for making Railways in the County of Worcester, to be called the Halesowen and Bromsgrove Branch Railways; and for other Purposes" . Biscuittin (talk) 18:12, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Halesowen & Bromsgrove share certificate of 1865 . Biscuittin (talk) 19:48, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Re this and previous thread, need to look through these:
 * -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:36, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Biscuittin (talk) 13:04, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:36, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Biscuittin (talk) 13:04, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Biscuittin (talk) 13:04, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I've added the opening of the GWR Old Hill-Halesowen branch. Unfortunately, regarding the Northfield-Halesowen section, the three books that I listed above disagree and not just in trivial matters. MacDermot does not mention the railway in text, just in the summary tables at the back. There are four relevant entries, of which the first three are in the main GWR list, the fourth is under the heading of "Joint Railways": Awdry has two entries: Casserley is all prose, but the sentences are short. The relevant bits are: As far as Butt is concerned, Halesowen station opened 1 March 1878, and those at Hunnington and Rubery both opened 10 September 1883, both of which tally with MacDermot. -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:12, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * 1 March 1878 Old Hill-Halesowen 1 mile 43 chains - this is the opening of the portion which was purely GWR
 * 10 September 1883 Halesowen Railway, Joint - this is the date that the HR became jointly-owned (or possibly jointly-leased) by the GWR and MR
 * 2 April 1902 Halesowen Canal Branch 54 chains - this is also purely GWR, and is the bit shown on the RCH diagram as "Halesowen Basin"
 * Halesowen Railway (Joint with Midland, 1883) 10 September 1883 Halesowen-Northfield Junction (with M.R.) 5 miles 70 chains - this refers to the opening of the line, which taken with the entry on p.604 implies that the joint purchase by the GWR and MR occurred on the opening day.
 * Halesowen and Bromsgrove Branch Railway - Incorporated on 5 July 1865 to make a line 6 miles long between Halesowen Junction ... and Old Hill ... . It opened on 1 March 1872 and the company changed its name to the Halesowen Railway on 13 July 1876.
 * Halesowen Railway - This was the title assumed on 13 July 1876 by the Halesowen and Bromsgrove Branch Railway. A joint Working Agreement had been made between the GWR and MR before the line opened on 10 September 1883, and the company was vested in its operators by an Act of 20 July 1906.
 * It was built in 1883 - this agrees with MacDermot and with one of the entries in Awdry
 * It was vested jointly with the GW and Midland Railways in 1906 - this agrees with Awdry

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