Talk:Halkomelem

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Good content; a bit dry
Linguistics-oriented article, could have better lay content (like most linguistics articles); possibly should have subarticles for Hunquminum, Hulquminum, Halkemeylem. Skookum1 (2006)

Agreed. An amateur like me can't even tell--I can only rather assume--that this article is even using IPA to transcribe the language(s) it's talking about. It's not stated anywhere in the article (did I miss it?). I appreciate all the great info on the page from a doubtless knowledgeable linguist. But this is a public encyclopedia article; it's not supposed to be written for specialists. If we want the average person to be able to learn about this language, then it has to be explained without jargon, or explaining the jargon as it progresses. Let's start from square one, then, how 'bout?

Number of speakers
I've changed the number of speakers from "less than 12 fluent" to 200 as per the linked estimate at the First Nations Languages of British Columbia site. The figure of 12 probably reflects a misunderstanding of an estimate for mainland Halkomelem (Upriver and Downriver) as an estimate for the entire language. Island Halkomelem, that is, basically, Cowichan, has quite a few more speakers.Bill 00:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

how is hulquiminum spelled?
Hul'q'umin'um, Hul'qumi'num, or Hul'q'umi'num?

I've found various spellings on the internet, all from reliable sources. -- TheMightyQuill 14:22, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Hul’qumi’num language article
There is an article named Hul’qumi’num language. I think this article can be replaced by a #REDIRECT  article toward the Halkomelem language article. Anybody disagrees ? - Arctur 19:25, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Not exactly disagreement, but the "third way" is for Halqemeylem, Hunquminum (not sure diacriticals there) and Hul'qumi'num to be separate articles; are they sufficiently different in to warrant separate articles? Certainly they have different social contexts, i.e. marine culture vs river culture, and the cultural "distance" between the Cowichan area and, say, the Chilliwack or Yale areas.Skookum1 20:00, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * They might one day warrant separate articles, but what that article had to offer did not require a separate article. If this article gets to big, we can split. I redirected Hul’qumi’num language here. - TheMightyQuill 16:34, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation of consonants
If the description of certain consonants as "glottalized" is correct, then the IPA representation (such as [pˤ]) is wrong. The IPA symbol for a glottalized consonant is exactly like the native orthography: p′. A symbol like [pˤ] indicates a pharyngealized pronounciation, which is a completely different sound.

The people do not exist
Skookum is claiming that the Halkomelem people do not exist, and is move-warring because of it. References to the Halkomelem people include Donna Gerdts, the principal authority on the Halkomelem language, M. Terry Thompson, who has worked on Salishan languages for half a century, and by Sturtevant (1990). Now, perhaps they don't know what they're talking about, or don't mean what they say, but it would be nice if intelligent justification were given, rather than a dismissal of anything he disagrees with as ignorant, conspiratorial, or racist. — kwami (talk) 09:16, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 * dredging up old NPAs/AGFs which were in response to your own NPAs/AGFs again, huh? Do you ever address subjects honestly, instead of trying to make the discussion about your opponent?  As per my comments here that shorthand for "Halkomelem-speaking peoples" is not the same thing as an ethnic group named Halkomelem, or any group who self-identify as such, is what is real; your claim, based on shorthand used by linguistics authors but not in the real world of British Columbia First Nations peoples, is entirely spurious and not in touch with reality.  As with your CANVASS at WikiProject Languages, this is FORUMSHOPPING and....rather pointless.  Googlebooks citations for the language vs any "Halkomelem people" usage are in a 9:1 ratio, making your insinuation that a non-existent people are a parallel primary topic and therefore disambiguation is required when it is not, is just as illogical and off-base as much of your rhetoric and filibustering at WP:NCL.Skookum1 (talk) 09:56, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Scale of Map
Just had a glance at this, and thought the map would be better scaled to BC rather than to Canada. :)

--PeteLambert (talk) 05:36, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Misspellings?
UnderMorphology in the subsection Affixes> Derivational Affixes> Common Artifacts the lexical suffix cited as /-wət/ “canoe” probably should have a voiceless lateral fricative in place of final -t, in keeping with all other Salishan languages which have such a lexical suffix. 108.35.168.107 (talk) 19:50, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Similarly the next entry after the above, Natural Phenomena: /-ətp/ “plant, tree”, should also have a voiceless lateral fricative in place of cited medial -t. 108.35.168.107 (talk) 19:52, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

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saltillo
I doubt the orthographies actually use a saltillo, but this article has been gummed up enough with typographic hacks that I'm not going to try to guess what they should actually be. — kwami (talk) 02:22, 6 July 2024 (UTC)