Talk:Halo (franchise)/Archive 1

Reverting...
Ok some guy deleted the section referencing possible events for Halo 3. I put it back up. Seeing as this is to be in all likelihood the last Halo, most of the referenced plot points would have to be addressed. There is seriuos debate over the diner points of the plot, but most agree over the general issues. No one before in some 200+ edits deleted it- why should you? David 01:58, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * On that note, that whole section is for user-supported speculation, based on elements that (hopefully) have been discussed here for credibility. If someone has a beef with any particular part of the possible events, they only have to talk about what their problem is. Gspawn 22:12, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Forbidden Planet Influence or Homage
There doesn't seem to be any link to the obvious homage to Forbidden Planet in the Halo article. Examples include the shape of the doors, the graphics on the walls of the labs, which are shaped similarly to the power meters in Morbius's lab. As soon as a I played Halo, it was obvious that the whole game was a homage to the film.

scope_creep 20:55, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Um, once again, this would be an example of apparent;y 'obvious' references which appear mostly concidental. You really believe Bungie designed entire portions of the game to coincide with a horrible (ok, maybe not horrible, but 50's sci-fi in the entire sense of the word) movie? I doubt it... I never saw any of the similarities you point out, even after seeing the movie. David 23:14, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I should not have said the whole game, as that is provably inaccurate. I don't want to disparage your argument though, but there are a number of levels in Halo One which show the triangular doors, for example on the Assault on the Control Room level, reminiscant of the triangular doors in FB, which Morbious points out indicate the body shape of the Krell. Also a clear homage` is the shape of the Krell Ampere meters, on the walls of the Mobious's lab,indicating the amount of current the ID monster is drawing, bear a remarkable resemblance to the shape of the meters on the walls of the labs leading up to the control room. How can it mere coincidence when the shape of the doors are a commonality throughout the Halo One and Two. Why is it coincedental? Yes I do believe Bunbgie used bits of FB for the game. Its the best SF film outside Star Wars, its got evertything, so why not use it, as a source of level design.

I thing that Bungie took the best that was available in Science Fiction at the time, which was Forbideen Planet for the Krell super beings, in charge of a gigantic machine, 8000 cubic miles, Larry Nivens Ringworld Engineers for the ring, 630 million miles of ring, Iaim M Banks for the orbitals, but there is much more in it, which is not being addressed.

scope_creep 23:08, 27 January 2006 (GMT)

Organizing the Series Articles
Wikipedia has a load of information on Halo, and most of it seems pretty poorly organized. I mean, pages on Halo, Halo 2, Halo 3, and this... There's a lot of redundancy in weapons info since I made List of weapons in the Halo universe, I'll take the blame for that. Something needs to be done... For example: what's your goal with this page, Grm wnr? LockeShocke 01:51, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)
 * Most pages point to Halo: Combat Evolved when Halo is mentioned, but with the release of Halo 2 and the near certainty of Halo 3 there has to be some central starting point for the universe as a whole. This page could be it. --Grm wnr 02:05, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Good call, and they could all link to the other, game-independent pages on The Flood, The Covenant, weapons, vehicles, etc. I like your style, kid. LockeShocke 02:43, Nov 28, 2004 (UTC)
 * It needs to be moved though since the halo universe now constitutes three novels and two games, to Halo Universe perhaps? —Ævar Arnfjörð [ Bjarmason] 07:12, 2005 Jan 8 (UTC)
 * I agree and your suggestion seems fine to me. It's not bad as it is but technically it's more than a game series now especially if/when the film is released. Is there any naming convention on such pages when they share a name with something else though? --FlooK 03:26, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Is it possible to give a user better information when redirected here? For example, if someone searches for Halo 3, is there any way to deliver a message at the top of the page to inform the user they have hit the right spot, and that they weren't just redirected to a related page? Small point, but why not ask?

Merge with Halo (forerunner tech)?
The current link to this page asks for discussion on adding the "Forerunner tech" page to the main "Halo series" page. I say throw it in the links section and be done, as anyone puruising the series page is probably more interested in viewing all the pieces of said series than intimate fan details. Thowing talk of Forerunner tech onto the series page as part of the body doesn't seem necessary. IMHO, of course. --Calderra 09:49, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It's already in the Halo category which all Halo articles should already link to, that's enough in my opinion. I removed the merge tag a few weeks ago for the same reasons you give but it was added back in. I don't believe that article shouldn't be merged with this one because like you said it is of more interest to fans whereas this article serves as an introduction to the series. If the consensus is that the forerunner tech article doesn't deserve it's own space it would be better merged with articles like High Charity and Pillar of Autumn into an overall Halo universe tech article rather than merged into this one. With this explanation in place I'm going to remove the tag again with a note to add to this discussion if anyone believes the article should be merged with this one. --FlooK 17:07, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah it appears what I actually did before was remove the mergefrom from the Halo (Forerunner tech) article. Not that it matters much but it means there is no one actually edited it back into this one :) --FlooK 17:23, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I originally added the merge notices, because if all the redundancies and Ringworld trivia in that article were trimmed out, it wouldn't be much bigger than a stub. I thought the information would be better in the main Halo article because it effectively explains where the video game's title comes from (presumably, I don't actually play the game). However, upon seeing Installation 04 and Installation 05, I now see that this is a significant topic. Now I'm thinking that if those two articles (the specific megastructure halos from the game) were merged into Halo (Forerunner tech) then it would be a more substantial article. Do you think this would be a better route? &mdash;jiy (talk) 17:53, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see that as a much better route to go down given that those two articles are just specific examples of what is discussed in that article. - 20:39, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I've merged them now, and moved the page to Halo (megastructure). Someone more qualified than me should go over my work and expand on the information. &mdash;jiy (talk) 05:50, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Merge with MJOLNIR?
I think that the MJOLNIR article mostly needs a lot of cleanup, as many of its elements are fan-created explanations of game errata. For example, the MJOLNIR page lists the Mark VI suit as basically taking less physical damage than the MkV (as though it were a real product and tests had been performed), when in fact this general feeling was just a product of balancing elements of Halo 2, since an entirely different physics engine and damage modeling system was used, as well as a completely new set of weapons. If MJOLNIR were to be included, I would reccomend it be very heavily trimmed. Gspawn 18:43, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Or we could, you know, redirect it to MJOLNIR battle armor, like I just did.--KrossTalk 04:57, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Used of "Halo:CE"
Small note... a lot of users try to use Halo:CE to talk about Halo: Combat Evolved. As per Bungie's own suggestion, the CE should only be used for Halo: Custom Edition on PC. Randomly, the Halo pieces should be scrubbed to keep confusion to a minimum. Halo 1 for Xbox should always just be Halo, Halo 1 for PC/Mac should be Halo PC/Mac or similar, and Halo: Custom Edition should always be Halo:CE.
 * I believe that people should use the full name of the edition, for lack of a better word, in question instead of an abbreviation.--Halomania 01:25, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

--Halomania 01:28, 1 November 2005 (UTC)--Halomania 01:28, 1 November 2005 (UTC)==The Halo Movie== If a Halo movie comes out in theaters, it better take place after Halo 2, be based on the Halo novels, or set during the events before the games and novels. - John-1107
 * I hope a Halo movie never comes out ever. It would really suck and movies about books or video games always leave out or change stuff wich makes them suck even more.  People who never played the game would here about the moivie and see it, then get the game and hate it because the movie was different!
 * Then the movie should take place many years, decades, centuries, or millenia before or after the games and novels. - John-1107V--Ed Telerionus 02:03, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Movie license is being sold by microsoft right now, however they have a contract that specifies no fewer than some 10 million (please verify number) must be put torwards principle photography (production) or something similar. They have already alienated a lot of movie studios with this plan, which is probably for the better, and now rest it with 2 companies. Gamespot.com has the article with a lot more details. perhaps this should be added after it is veridied by some people.
 * Most likely the movie will be a retelling of the story. it wont be after halo 2 because the people watching whove never played halo will be VERY confused.--Zxcvbnm 3 July 2005 17:41 (UTC)
 * The first game would be okay so long as they included the background story from Fall of Reach --FlooK 03:26, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Bungie Studios has some creative control over the project, so I'm certain that it's not going to be that terrible.
 * The Gamespot and related articles say all there is to know at the moment. Bungie retains creative control, and Microsoft only wants people who are very commited to bringing excellence to the movie (hence the hoops). If it isn't going to be good, Bungie and Microsoft won't let it be made. --Calderra 09:53, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The ign article and imdb site says that the halo film will take place during halo combat evolved and it will be supervised by microsoft.--Halomania 01:28, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Halo 3 Rumors
I removed the section on the Halo 3 rumors. I know the guy who made it up, and that said, it doesn't belong on the Wikipedia. Maybe the 100,000 to ten years ago will spartan john 117 as forerunner baby being to the future so that he could extermate flood and stop halo from fireing as forunner last option so it can finally save the universe
 * I edited the above section because there were a lot of spelling mistakes.--Halomania 01:29, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Someone didn't read the Halo 3 section, and basically retyped Gates' "PS3" statement about Halo 3's release. Deleted because it's already in the article and in better context where it is. Gspawn 20:32, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * What about the alleged image?


 * There should be a Halo 3 Rumour or Rumour section, for rumours to go in!

That picture looks like Master Cheif copied and pasted in Half Life 2's background
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 20:35, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * It's lit from the same point - how did somebody manage that? Made a custom level etc.?--80.42.145.143 20:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * For example, Halo-based Half-Life 2 mods. If I'm not mistaken, those do already exist, and all of the geometry in the screen looks ripped directly from HL2. Confirmation pending. Gspawn 23:38, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Quick Googling shows that the Covenant capital ship and Master Chief armor models already exist for HL2, and the Battle Rifle has been done by numerous people. Taken together with the obviously-ripped-from-HL2 background (what other developer spends so much of their system resources on telephone poles?) I think it's safe to say this pic can be debunked. If anyone wants to know the specific mods used, I can continue searching. (The most proudly touted Covenant Capital ship model as of late has been from the First Contact mod project). Gspawn 00:16, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Noes! No Halo 3 after all :(

Influence?
Are we sure we want to include Starcraft as an influence, there are similarities but a lot of what was mentioned in relation to both games doesnt seem to support fact, same with predator, many games feature camoflauge(however u spell it) including metal gear solid, which was not influenced by predator. If i am wrong then show a link or something to confirm these influence rumors, otherwise we can just simply move them to the discussion board so they dont have to be deleted completely. -Tik
 * They're really a bunch of stretches and seem like a good a number of them are coincidental. I would advocate removing them completely, or perhaps re-writing the section as "Parallels".
 * Whatever you want.--Zxcvbnm 20:29, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
 * What about Starhammer (Vang = Flood, if I remember my Starhammer) and the Bible (Covenant, Ark, the Flood)? There are many influences that greatly overpower Starcraft, and could simply supercede them. The Predator note should be kept, however, as that one effects shot defines much of the Predator mythos, and thus even the 'small' reference is a big tie-in. --Calderra 09:33, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok so i changed a lot of the wording of the influence section to reflect a more npov, since the original was written by someone who apparently had no sources for his information or else he would have listed it. Im sure someone can rewrite the section better than i have, gotta change the title to possible influences as well.-Tik

eh, the first time i saw halo i thought it was a starcraft fps. the degree of influence can't be emphasized enough.

After reading this subsection, I can't imagine what the original writer was thinking. Ghosts and Wraiths having the same name? In Starcraft, the ghost is a spec-ops human; in Halo it's an alien hoverbike. The Starcraft Wraith was a human air superiority fighter; the Halo Wraith was an alien tank. I'm not seeing the connection. Likewise, Covenant as Protoss doesn't really make sense, and Flood as Zerg only slightly more so. I'm not sure the storyline aspect pans out either.

Basically, it appears that someone was trying to find a Starcraft-Halo connection, and dug up evidence to support it. A better approach would be to mention things that were either explicitly stated to have influenced Halo, or things that are so obvious there can be no doubt. Ringworld, for example, is an obvious influence because Niven invented the idea. Marathon likewise because it was another Bungie game; of course they kept ideas. But a better candidate for this section than Starcraft and Preditor would be the bible, which Bungie has hinted at numerous times as a creative source. --Khaim 15:20, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Agreed, im not gonna edit it anymore myself, but if u want to edit it by all means go for it. Tik

Someone out there desperately want this section to be added, so why not keep it? They'll put it back in anyway. But yes, bible mentions would get a higher priority, as there are a number of things (The Flood, Ark of the Covenant) that are so close to both sources. 'Alien' has been stated as a direct influence, and the Predator connection is one that's so short that its mention is simplistic for anyone familiar with the movie, and a great way to see Active Camo in action for anyone interested. Starcraft is a stretch, and is covered more by the section detailing Halo's common plot devices (eg: Terrans being the same human race is a common plot device, not something in common with StarCraft). [user gspawn = account problems]

Ok, this has gotten out of hand, i can almost guarantee half of the influence information is total fancruft. Unless you can show me specific examples from dev's where they pointed out influences it is all speculation and user opinion. Please delete these or provide a good source to keep it. Halo is subject to a lot of edits that are made by users that just WANT something to be true, however the truth is its usually all just cruft. Remember, speculation is not fact and if it not fact then it does not belong on the main article page but rather in the discussion board for debate. Tik 19:55, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I also just read the bottom line of the marathon influence."These large similarities led to early speculation that Halo took place in the same universe as Marathon, only with different time frames - however, this was later proved highly unlikely. According to both the Halo video games and books, the events in Halo coincide with the events in Marathon. However, due to technology differences (the lack of transporter technology in Halo, for one), this is impossible. It is possible that Halo is the Universe that formed after the Marathon universe collapsed (the very thing Durandal was trying to escape)." By saying this doesnt most of the entire section become obsolete. I do believe marathon influenced design choices made, but implying more than that is as rediculous as comparing it with starcraft.... this should be looked at as well. Tik 20:14, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Im going to say. product of Halo's artist Shi Kai Wang and in the Art of Halo book he notes that the Elite was orginally going to have a tail, this in a way seperates it from the predator before the change.
 * Starcraft and Halo both use the Space marine theme (its getting pretty common now) but Its debatable if there are influences.
 * The flood are part of the paristic alien theme.
 * I strongly disagree with the predator influence. This is because the Covenant Elite is the


 * I edited the above comment to make it look a bit better. I completely agree, and I think there's enought talk here to show why this should be deleted now, and I'll go against my previous statement for that reason. The common themes are MUCH more prevalent than any small ties that can be made, and these attempts to keep Starcraft are getting ridiculous. There are many more worthy entrants (like the Holy Bible). I'd like to see a small Predator connection remain, but only relative to the Elite's active camoflauge. It's a great pop reference, and it only takes maybe one line. Just as StarCraft might be "comparisons have been made.." but that's it. gspawn 22:16, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

agreed, i can settle with that, ill just keep watch on the influence area. keep up the good work.Tik 14:27, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

I think the Starcraft influence is very clear. In addition, I see a possible Half-Life influence (I don't know which game came first though). Re: Covenant = Protoss, notice how all the Covenant units use highly visible "energy burst" weapons like the Protoss, and their religious zealot theme. Also, the "energy sword" used by the shielded, larger than human Elites who in some cases are permanently cloaked which mirrors the Protoss Zealot and Dark Templar. Then there is the Flood, which uses huge swarms of small expendable units as well as infested members of the other races and manlike suicide bomber units...and the parallels between Gravemind and Overmind as well as between Forerunners and Xel-Naga are really obvious.

AThousandYoung, 2:30 pm PST, 1/12/05

But you still dont understand, Starcraft is not an influence on this game that you want it to be, if it was then the developers would have stated so, the only worthy influences are the ringworld books, obviously marathon, and a couple other. Starcraft is not an influence, and if it was it would not be to the extent that you are reaching for, remember a lot of the enemies are remeniscent of marathon and that just because one game has a space marine doesnt mean all games are influenced by it because they have a space marine. I can buy the active camoflage theory but if you want to go as far as u are you could argue that metal gear solid 1-3 were total influences because it has camo and its '1 man against an army' situation is the same type of scenario as halo.....but that would be rediculous. Halflife was released after halo had already begun development, they might have been developed along the the same lifetime but when microsoft purchased bungie it extended the halo dev cycle and chenged there focus to the FPS genre instead of the isometric rts type of game they were shooting for oringinally. Half-lifes story isnt even close to halo's the only similarity being aliens invade the earth and you have to fight them with guns. you need to provide a tangible source for a influence that there is no real connection to outside of wishful thinking. I am a fan of blizzard and the starcraft series but that doesnt mean because i really really like something it OBVIOSLY influenced one of the most revolutionizing console games. just do some more research is all im asking, because otherwise this is fancruft and will continue to be deleted. (sign your post with 4 ~) Tik 16:18, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

ok, this crap has to stop, someone added that a possible parrallel of the protestants rebelling against the catholic church. AGAIN, just because there is a slight similarity to something that happened somewhere in the world at xx time doesnt mean HALO (literally) was influenced by it. If we go by the rules as most fancrufters like to use then my next door neighbor's dad who was in the marines OBVIOULSY influenced the use of marines in Halo, right? If you think there could be a connection between halo and an event/work then you need to bring it up here before adding it to the page, if this page were the 'how printer cables were made' page it wouldnt really be a big deal, this page is viewed by millions of people worldwide and we have a responsibility to present the facts as best as possible. Halo does have slight references to the bible as mentioned above but the seperation from the church is pushing it. If you cant back up any of the claims you are making then this is the place to decide it. If this is not resolved I will request a moderator to lock the section or page if necessary. Also this addition was made by user:69.246.133.78 whose addition on Jade Empire is what we people call vandalism Tik 20:29, 28 January 2006 (UTC)


 * This might not have anything to do with the discussion, but I think that the influence section severely needs work. Including the word "possible" makes it sound speculative and subjective. And the subheadings are inconsistent in substance. I don't know much about this game, so I can't really help, but I feel that if this section is cleared up it will make it look a lot more proffessional and coherent.

Reverted
I reverted the article back one version, someone deleted the entire thing and replaced it with some idle speculation on Halo 3, ending with =p you can fuck Master Chief --TagarSpinebreak 18:04, 10 October 2005

What da hell? First of all., Halo 2 was a disappointment to some Halo fans, because of the gameplay, mostly because of the 2 arm weapon holding. Convenant? in Metroid, what do they talk about? Space Pirates Halo isn't boring, if you know all about First Person Shooter, you are also a hardcore gamer you will know why that game is one of the best around

Your friend won a copy of Halo 3.

NOTE TO ALL PEOPLE: If any body tells you that they are getting this "not release" product... it's a lie, Halo 3 is still in production, some fool was going on about he has an xbox 360, when that system hasn't even been release!

Halo Article? what happen to it? it suppose to be a different article, Halo 1 article, Halo 2 article ALL SEPERATE! looking at that article now looks imature ><ino 00:09, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Correction. You can win an xbox 360 at everytenminutes.com if you're willing to drink a lot of mountain dew.--Halomania 01:31, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

I think he did. I just heard him say that, so I don't know if its true.

And I have a question. If you do win an Xbox360, do you get any games? Because If you get it before it comes out, and there arent any games on it, then whats the point of having it before everyone else?

Yes you are right, like i said, even if you win it, you can't receive it, you will only collect it when the console has been release at some time, for example it will be release 22 nov, which means that is when he will recieve the console
 * And no! you can't get anygames along with the console, it says "Win Microsoft Xbox360" it didn't mention anywhere "Games"
 * And Games will be released before the console comes out,

>xx<ino 10:54, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Halo Fanfic
I'd really like to see a source for the claim that the works of Halo fanfic mentioned in the Fan Fiction section really are well-known among the Halo fan community. Just something to back up the claim, and to show that these works are notable enough to merit a mention in the article. --Dalziel 86 08:49, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

imo no--Herzog 14:37, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I can vouch for that, being a Fan Fiction author myself at halo.bungie.org, not under this tag though. -HunterKiller360

for or agianst, sorry, i didn't quite understand--Herzog 00:56, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Another matter- Isn't fanfic prevalent for anything these days? Lord of the Rings and all other book/game/movie happenings... would someone like to page over and make sure the Harry Potter pages talk about their fanfic? I don't think it belongs on this page- maybe it belongs on a fanfic article as a note about how fanfic uses pop culture for material, but not here. [gspawn]


 * I added the advert tag to the fan fiction section. In my opinion the section isn't really needed in the article seeing as there's fan fiction for everything.  The section's purpose seems to be to advertise fan fiction authors above all else.  --TheKoG 19:17, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Better use of wiki commands and templates
This is to answer 68.39.193.120's question on why I changed the spoiler template command.

Basically, I was trying to reduce the # of different accesses on the servers to different wiki templates. The use of the 'subst' command would force the spoiler template to be permantenly inserted into the article, instead of having the page access another template to print out for the reader. This spoiler template is not going to change very soon I believe, and to have hundreds of pages on wiki access the same text over and over again isn't good use of server resources. This page already takes some time to load b/c of traffic, I was just tweaking it to not access more than needed. Anyhows, that's my answer. If people want to keep that command, go ahead, I just think it's a pointless template to keep active.--LifeStar 22:25, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

what do you call
The music in halo that is basically priest singing, is there a word for it?

Pece Kocovski 10:42, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes there is a name. Its called Gregorian chant. I however wonder if there is a difference between male and female Gregorian chants, such as the music in Shadow of the Colossus. -- Psi edit


 * Gregorian, if I remember, is an all-male singing a capella religious chants. If it has instruments or female voices at all, it's not Gregorian. There should be a name somewhere for Halo 2's female-inclusive singing, but I don't think it's Gregorian.

If you're looking for more Gregorian chants, there's a CD from the benedictine monks of Santo Domingo called Chant. It can get long and tedious at parts, but it's good chillin' music. And gregorian doesn't count women, so I don't know what you call the other stuff. David 23:50, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Spartan 458
"...all SPARTAN-II soldiers should have numbers ranging from 001 to 150. There should, according to previously established canon, not be a SPARTAN-458."

Obviously, there is not supposed to be any Spartan 458. Obviously, there still is a Spartan 458. Here is a sentence from the article history: "But some theories suggest that she is part of the spartan 2.5 or spartan 3 project." I haven't played DOA4 so I don't know, but is there anywhere in the Halo canon where it clearly says that 458 is a Spartan-II? If not, then why not keep this speculative, but quite possible, explanation in the article? Sippan 19:42, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * There is some evidence that there may be more SPARTAN-IIs or even IIIs, as if you read the novels, furthers "batches" were in "training" at the time when Reach was glassed. It's entirely possible more SPARTANs were created to fill in the ranks of the missing ones, as their dwindling numbers would have been most disconcerting after the program went public. Anyway, Reach was glassed, effectively ending the possibility of any future SPARTANs (and almost certainly eliminating a SPARTAN-III program and all trainees if it/they existed), but that's not to say some didn't make it off Reach beforehand. So no concrete evidence either way, but evidence from the novels would suggest that at least some of the new SPARTAN-IIs did make it, and that's where Nicole comes in. Gspawn 21:48, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Nicole is a cameo in a non-Halo game, so they can mess with the Halo story like that. If they did it in a Halo game it would create plot holes but not in a different game. They probably didn't mean for it to be canon.--Zxcvbnm 21:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Known Space connection
The statement that in both Halo and Known Space, "humans develop space travel on their own and encounter a technologically superior race" is highly debatable. Humans did not exactly develop very GOOD space travel on their own in Known Space. The "hostile race" were the Kzinti and they were not very bright.

Suffice to say the only "technologically superior" race the humans met up with were the Outsiders and Pierson's Puppeteers. Both are mostly harmless. Except the Puppeteers who are so cowardly that they would view Nerf toys as being exceedingly dangerous. The only "hostile race" they encountered were the Kzinti who had to outnumber a completely pacifist colony 10,000 to 1 just to invade it. Their first encounter wit humans was with a pacifist ship with no weapons. The Kzinti lost that fight as well. So much for technologically superior. It's pretty sad when you lose a battle and hundreds of waves of invasion forces to an unarmed race that doesn't even have a word for "weapon" or "violence".

Asside from Halo being essentially an affectionate nod to the Pak built Ringworld, the rest of the statements about connections to Known Space are tenuous at best. -LucyS, 14:39 GMT, 21 January 2006
 * The Ringworld connection is one that's pretty important, on some level, as it's been a major theme in the fan world for a long time (see: Louis Wu of halo.bungie.org). The connections are of course very tenuous (with so many references to fit in one game!), but it's impossible to deny sights like "the arch" of the seemingly neverending Ringworld bending across the sky, so prominently featured in the game, that was so critical to tales from Ringworld. In fact, why isn't the arch mentioned? It was a fascinating aspect of the book that was pulled off incredibly in the game. Gspawn 21:48, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Bill Gates Quote
Someone keeps adding this quote to the end of the "possible events in Halo 3". That quote is already in the article, and is well-referenced. Please stop putting it into the article a second time. Gspawn 18:02, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh, i remeber that, some suker with some I.P added it, and some wiki fool deleted it
 * But i reverted it, i didn't know it was already added and referneced to a site

 Anyway Bill Gat is a suker
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 18:37, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * aaanyway, I toned down the header here. Go teamwork? Gspawn 20:09, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

H2 for Vista
Added the "upcoming release" banner, changed elements to reflect the new WWU at bungie.net, and took out some weasel sections. Yes, people are griping about the exclusivity, but computer users also need to realize that OS upgrades are inevitable. Yes it's meant to entice people to the new OS, but this is a standard practice for any OS upgrade. Gspawn 22:32, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Master Chief revert problem
Someone reverting edits at some point missed a gap that was filled in. Currently, several lines are basically missing from the text, and the edit history is a little too messed up to get a most accurate picture of the cut parts. Currently, the section reads: "The SPARTANs were originally created to bolster the UNSC's own defenses against piracy and other jacks as part of the upgrades necessary to don the MJOLNIR armor, in addition to other measures". The emphasized part is where the missing text would go. I'll try to patch over from memory. Gspawn 20:10, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Origins/Similarities
From the article: "Also, there are numerous similarities between the marines of Halo and those of Aliens." As if to say that this is a point in favor of Aliens being part of Halo's heritage. Well, Halo may owe a lot to Aliens, but the marines connection is bogus. Both owe their marines to The Few, The Proud, The (U.S.) Marines. Ooorah. No, I'm not a marine, and I don't play one on TV, but come on, give me a break. The marines of Aliens and Halo both owe their origins to the Green Machine. Semper Fi. --Mike 05:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * (fixed your header) Completely incorrect. Yes, they're all based on Marine mythology. But on a related note, Spider-Man (at its inception) was just another teen drama heightened by the amazing properties of radiation (at least in comics). So does that mean the Spider-Man movies aren't based on the comics? Halo's marines are based on Aliens' down to the body armor, the assault rifles, the HUD/helmet with recorder, the smartass black sergeant... it's more than a similarity. It's an homage. Gspawn 15:59, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Metroid Prime
Can Metroid Prime really count as an influence for Halo? The first Prime game came out almost exactly one year after Halo: Combat Evolved. There's a bare possibility that Metroid Prime influenced Halo 2, but simply saying that MP and Halo are "similar" shouldn't be in the Influences section. Heck, it probably doesn't need to be mentioned anywhere on the Halo page at all. 14 March, 2006

no and its stupid for you to even think thats possible.

No! It's just gEEk sh*t, and fAnb0y who wanna start sh*tless trouble. Comparing games that doesn't match. A Action game and Adventure game compared together!? First of all, hAl0 is better in some ways, while Metroid is better in another way!
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 22:33, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Umm, or to put it another way (more coherently), Halo and MP are not very similar. They are both sci-fi space games. MP has a lot of character development/equipment acquisition, problem/puzzle-solving, and huge-scale map navigation set with a non-linear plot over semi-continuous gameplay (except whenever you have to go to bed). Long periods of fighting are much less centerstage than in Halo. Halo missions are very linear as are the maps, basically involving you proceeding through the path of each map killing everyone necessary along the way. Gameplay is broken into singular missions separated by cinematics and large switches in location of the story. The tools and weapons available in the games are fairly different: different arm-mounted beams with a rocket plus that cool rollerball ability for MP but pretty conventional machine guns, rifles, grenades, pistols (of alien and human variety) in Halo with a huge component of vehicle use in the game experience. Considering that they're both prominent sci-fi space games against alien races, they have remarkably little in common (as said above they both succeed in different ways).

Except for one thing I suppose: the secret devestating organisms you find that are central to the plot of each story and that become your toughest enemies. OK well I stand corrected.

What da hell do you mean!? I am confused:P
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 14:09, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I was a little incoherent there. Let me summarize: 1) Halo and MP are extremely different in the way you play them, the type of games they are, stories they have, etc., except that they both happen to be sci-fi games. 2) One key similarity is that in each game a cental part of the story is that you stumble upon some mysterious, powerful creatures that are really dangerous and you're not sure where they came from or what they are.
 * Hm. Lemme see if I can come up with any other stories that share that elements- wait, how about virtually every story known to humans? Heh. That's a "common culture" item, and Metroid Prime doesn't need a mention. Gspawn 13:34, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

"Forerunner" article in April Game Informer
I just recieved the April issue of Game Informer (they are printed in advance, and subscribers get them before Gamestop stores). On pages 18 and 19, citing an inside source, there is an article that says that Bungie has been working on a project called "Forerunner" which will be the next entry in the Halo series. I posted the details in the Halo 3 section.Thewonderwaffle 14:15, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Bungie has confirmed this is a fake. Can link if necessary . Deletion pending if necessary. Note also: Yes, that is Frankie, and yes Bungie does interact with their fans that closely. Gspawn 17:15, 18 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Noting the fact that the entirety of the section is speculation (all of which Bungie has denied) I feel that this is relevent due to the fact that it was published in the top Gaming magazine in the world and is entirely plausable. I think it should stay. In the article, it specifically states that it is not an April Fools joke. I predict that at E3 we will find out the truth...Thewonderwaffle 00:03, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * It is definately a joke, Bungie has confirmed that without question. Bronzey 05:55, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry to add some cleanup, but everyone- please sign at the end of your comment, and not under it, as it can mess Wikipedia formatting up (and cause users to split your comment from your sig- both have happened here). Seems silly, saves hassle.Gspawn 17:05, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Lots of things have been published by reputable sources about Bungie that were absolute falsehoods. Even CNN carried news that "Bungie had pushed back Halo 2" in financial reports. If anyone had asked Bungie, they had been saying the dates were made up by retailers to drive sales all along, and not to listen to any date but the final (Nov.11?) they delivered on.Gspawn 17:05, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that if we are going to speculate about the storyline of Halo 3 (if there is in fact a halo 3, which Bungie has denied) then at least we can speculate as to when it is coming out, or if it is being worked on. Thewonderwaffle 14:34, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Of course you can. But Bungie hasn't denied anything (er, not denied Halo 3 anyway)- they've only said they're not yet saying what their next game is. It could very well BE Halo 3, and they just don't have enough next-gen material to be ready to showcase it yet. But there are some things you can check with Bungie for. For example, with Halo 2 release dates, Bungie had an exact policy that lots of news sites just weren't listening to. They repeatedly stated nothing was certain 'til they made a formal and final announcement, yet despite this, people across the world carried news of fake release dates. That's just uninformedness and rampant(tm) speculation. Gspawn 16:36, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


 * In the article, it has been changed to probable speculation. However, I feel that any speculation is relevent at this point, and if more reliable information is obtained in the future, this would be removed. Thewonderwaffle 17:23, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Human and Cyborg
Someone apparently missed the point of the section (at least the way the section is now worded). Cyborgs are humans who happen to also have some sort of unnatural enhancements, especially of the mechanical kind. The world's first (or most) officially recognized cyborg was a man who had a microchip implanted in his head which allowed him to remotely control compatible devices. Master Chief has neural implants that help him manipulate the MJOLNIR armor, and this makes him a cyborg by itself. CYBORGS. ARE. HUMANS. They simply happen to be humans who have some sort of mechanical enancement. Section will be edited closer to its origional context. Cyborgs are not robots. Cyborgs are not automatons. etc etc. They are humans. Gspawn 18:50, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Size & Clans
First of all, this article is too damn long. Similar to the size of the xbox article, that also needs clean up!

Second, the Halo Clan section. I don't approve to this section! There are also a variety of Christian Halo Clans, CoG, HoA, GHS,CIA. Are some of them of them. That doesn't make sense! Because "Are some of them of them."!? can you explain that!?

This section needs to be removed, because DUH. Game addicts and this type of FPS Online gameplay. Always have clAns! Unreal have clAns, Quake have clAns, Battle Field 2 had clAns ect
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 17:33, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Not to mention any mention of clans should be made under sections about multiplayer anyway.

Images and Introduction
I feel it would be a lot more effective to have the primary image at the top of the article to be the title screen or video-game cover of the original halo game, rather than screenshots from the game play. I also think that a little more information should be given in the introduction, something that might constitue a full paragraph. Never having played the game, I can't contribute much myself. Does anyone have any opinions about either of these things? Satchfan 09:57, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you make some good points here. The intro should be enriched with more detail rather than a single sentence. As for the pictures I think the front covers are correctly placed next to the paragraphs of their games, however it could be a good idea to find a more representative screenshot to show next to the intro. If I can come up with some proposal I'll post it in my sandbox to hear your opinions. Berserker79 07:27, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thankyou. A more rep. screenshot would work well, but I really think that an image with the name of the franchise in it would be most suited. Are there any images which aren't already in the article that might work, such as a title screen or promo material? (something like this, but hopefully a little more interesting). These are only suggestions, you should do what you think looks best. Satchfan 10:05, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've expanded the introduction for this article, I'd like to hear any comments/suggestions. As for the pictures, the screenshots could be moved down to other parts of the article when we find a more interesting picture to place near the intro. I'd suggest the Halo splash-screen seen while the game is loading or, as an alternative, I seem to remember a wallpaper related to the PC edition on the Bungie website which might work as well. Berserker79 13:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I've uploaded the Halo splash screen picture and placed it near the intro. Moved the Chief's screenshot down to the MC related paragraph as well. Berserker79 09:37, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Very nice. A strong opening like that makes the article look much more appealing. I was thinking that if there was a section for Gameplay that the screenshots might fit there, but there doesn't seem to be one. I suppose it would be difficult to fit it in with what's already posted about the individual games. A big improvement, tho. Satchfan 09:41, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Just going to clean it up a bit... current wording makes it sould like there are a number of drivable vehicles in Marathon. There are, if anyone needs to know, zero. Just small stuff. Gspawn 14:10, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Also added juuust a touch of rumor control. Halo 3 is only rumored to be in production, etc. Gspawn 14:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Stargate in 2.6?
I'm not totally sure about the comparison, I was thinking about relations between the SG's and Halo's, and the flood and replicators. and that before people found out about the reason they made the Halo, fans theorised it might be for transportation... --Hexhunter 19:15, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * First: Wha? And second: No. There's not enough there to warrant inclusion. gspawn 02:21, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Spoiler deletion
The stubs on individual games (Halo, 2, etc) should be spoiler-free, both to keep them brief and because their main pages contain those details in a way that's much better than including parts of them here. Deleting as such, and if necessary, rewording around it. gspawn 14:41, 12 April 2006 (UTC)