Talk:Halo 2/Archive 4

Legacy
Halo 2 for Vista is out of date. Perhaps we need a Halo 2 for vista article. At least unlock the article to let people update it who aren't part of your gang. 8:37, 3 April 2007 (PST)

Spoilers
Dude, spoilers, major, to the extreme. There might actually be some people out there who haven't played it and don't want to know the story. Should spoiler tags be put in? RidiculousX 11:11, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree completely - the plot section here basically lays out everything that happens in the game. It should definitely have spoiler tags. Solaraeus 14:42, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Spoiler tags aren't necessary. People should be able to tell that when they read a piece of text that says "Story" or "Synopsis" that it contains....well, the story or a synopsis. Most FAs do not have spoiler tags; reference plot-heavy games like Final Fantasy VIII. Peptuck 15:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

As WP:SPOILER explains, spoilers, major, to the extreme, are to be expected in a section called "plot"...dude, and thus a spoiler tag is unecessary and diminishes the quality of the article. Savidan 06:46, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Archive
I archived it. It was long and hard to load.-- SU IT  03:04, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Arc, not Ark
If u put the subtitles on, u clearly see the word "arc" being mentioned, not "ark", so im switching all the spellingsSkynet1216 04:13, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

You are mistaken, If you watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKOW9bYJP_U You clearly see he says ARK not Arc Durandal-21712:56, 25 November 2006

Another thing, Lord Hood said Commander Keyes, not Captian. Several times throughout the first few levels (Chapters) it is said she is Commander Miranda Keyes.

obviously they wouldnt say captian.....Dappled Sage 01:04, 25 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It is "Ark", no questions about it. It's been mentioned in Frankie's updates on bungie.net. Additionally, the only time Miranda Keyes has ever been referred to as a "Captain" (by anyone besides some tool on the Interwebs) is in a TV Guide interview with the actress who performed the character's voice in Halo 2. She was mistaken, by the way. The character is Commander Miranda Keyes. She is not a Lieutenant Commander, or a Captain, or an Ensign, or a Lieutenant, J.G. She is a Commander. Period. --The Berzerk Dragon 16:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Competition
I'm surprised that no mention has been made of the competitive side of Halo 2, especially given its exposure on the USA Network. MLG runs the tournaments and Amped eSports provides online coverage, similar to ESPN. There are players who have signed million dollar contracts and the grand prize of the finals this year was $100,000, so I believe it to be relevant. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bdickason (talk • contribs) 19:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC).


 * i agree —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.131.205.70 (talk • contribs).

Reference in Weird Al' Yankovic's song "You're Pitiful"
Just pointing out something I think should go on a "Trivia" section, on the song You're Pitiful, the lyrics include this:

You're half undressed Eatin' chips of your chest While you're playin' Halo 2 No one's classier than you

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 189.171.52.204 (talk • contribs).


 * Fancruft, barely worth mentioning. Peptuck 05:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

It's not worth mentioning in the article, but can you tell me where you heard that song? It was never released due to Atlanta record's refusal, but I'd like to hear it. Just name the web site or wherever you heard it 72.11.37.92 00:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

The song can be found at http://www.al-oholicsanonymous.com/sounds/yourepitiful.mp3. Just an FYI, but that is the link from the Wiki article on the song, so I assume everything is in order Freedomlinux 21:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

"hit me up on II BBHS II legit 45" is still appeared in the page!
These words are appeared in the main page but when I'm trying to delete them by using "Edit Page", they are not visible! What's going on with them and why they cannot be removed?! --KaragouniS 20:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Because TKD already took care of it. Peptuck 08:07, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok then. ;) --KaragouniS 11:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

MLG
Should we remove the section on MLG? I don't see how it's that relevant.  bibliomaniac 1  5  03:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Link Suggestion
I think it would be a good idea to add http://www.halowiki.net to the external sites list. It's an extremely active Halo 2 multiplayer wiki with almost 7k articles.

--Thirstyg 06:34, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that link used to be there. Even if wikipedia isn't a links collection I think it should help people find more information. and halowiki.net really digs into Halo 2 Multiplayer in depth. Yes, I run that site, but still, check it out and you'll see it really fits. -- PEZ 00:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Halo 2 is one of the most criticized games on the Xbox
With this beeing said, why is there not a "criticism" section? Seriously. Zoola 01:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Criticism is part of "Reception." Check the archives for a detailed discussionon the reasons for this. Peptuck 04:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually it is the second highest praised game on Xbox . But as Pep said any criticism is contained in the "Reception" section and it is balanced to maintain a neutral point of view, and since there is far more praise than there is criticism that is how it should be maintained. Konman72 06:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * To actually clarify, there was a criticism section, but as per other articles it was merged into reception. Basically I'm going off WP policy in moot sense and the Halo: CE article, which as its a FA it makes a good basis off which to judge the Halo 2 article. David Fuchs 16:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * This is, one of the MOST criticized games on Xbox, particularly BECAUSE it has the largest following. Just like Bungie doesn't consider public opinion, editors and admins for Wiki fail to consider public opinion, which for a large minority, hammers the game in forums and registered websites. To leave this out, Wikipedia is, truly, not accurately depicting this game. Jeers to Wikipedia.


 * It is also one of most-praised, and shown by the reviews cited. Therefore, any discussion of the game's reception should reflect that balance. If you disagree with the weight given, please find sufficient credible, reliable sources to back your position. This is the way that neutrality on Wikipedia works: we cite what other reliable sources have to say in rough proportion to each position's prevalence. — TKD::Talk 02:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * If you want to assume websites such as gamerankings.com and metacritic.com are "reliable" then you go right ahead. I predict Wiki is going to have some legal trouble coming down the pipe because of discrepancies and prejudices like this. And I'll be right at the forefront. Can't wait. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.204.101.181 (talk) 17:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC).


 * lol legal threats against Wikipedia. Didn't Jack Thompson try to pull that off at some point? Peptuck 17:19, 14 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The IP address above has been strictly warned per WP:NLT. — TKD::Talk 03:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Above IP also made some obtuse threats on the Talk:Wikipedia page as well. Peptuck 06:03, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Additionally, I want to point something out: the majority of the complaints I've seen are by Halo:CE fans who are complaining about elements that are not perfectly in line with what was in Halo:CE. The majority of these complaints are on blogs and forum posts, and are thus unreliable sources. Major, reliable criticial sources have done little to criticize the game, as they have to report in a relatively unbiased format based on the game's own merits, not whether it adheres perfectly to some ideal developed by its predecessor. Peptuck 04:25, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Forum posts should not be counted as critism because from my personal experiences people who critisices halo 2 are most of the time people who play it regulary, but just because they had a bad experience or started getting bored of the game they critises some of halo 2 major faults: the brief campaign, modding/glitching in MP, weapon balancing and being more 'unskillful' than the previous game (though most that and campaign are only opinion). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leemyster (talk • contribs) 13:54, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Celebrity Halo 2 Pre-Release Party
Celebrities, industry executives, and press all attended Xbox’s exclusive Halo 2 E3 2004 preview event on Saturday, May 8, 2004, in Beverly Hills, California. A private home was transformed to replicate the stunning futuristic world of Halo, complete with camouflaged marines and roaming Cortanas. Celebrity attendees included many members of the Council, Joe Reitman (Clueless), Jolene Blalock (Enterprise), Andrew Keegan (American Pie), Jordana Brewster (The Fast and the Furious), Bai Ling (Star Wars: Episode III), Ben Foster (Six Feet Under), Kelly Hu (X-Men II), Kyle Boller (Baltimore Ravens), Laura Prepon (That 70’s Show), Brad Bufanda (A Cinderella Story), Lindsay Lohan (Mean Girls), Breckin Meyer (Road Trip), Luke Walton (L.A. Lakers), Michelle Rodriguez (The Fast and the Furious), Chris Masterson (Malcolm in the Middle), Danny Masterson (That 70’s Show), Rick Yune (The Fast and the Furious), Good Charlotte (band), Ryan Phillipe (Cruel Intentions), Gregory Smith (Everwood), Shannon Elizabeth (American Pie), Taryn Manning (8 Mile), and Tara Reid (American Pie).

The event had its own soundtrack written and produced by the band 8 Bit Weapon. The score was 15 minutes long and was played continuously in the gaming area of the party. see www.8bitweapon.com/bio.htm for credits info

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/personality/guests/20041027-stars.htm

Let's push this up
This article currently is rated B class. From what I can see, it needs really only clarification/copyediting, and sourcing. Definitely sourcing. I'm trying to aggregate sources currently but of course if others helped it would be greatly appreciated. David Fuchs (talk &bull; contribs) 22:29, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

No Plot Section
Shouldn't there be a Plot spoiler type section, similar to the section in the Halo 1 article? Jean15paul 22:30, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Quick GA suggestion
The article's screenshot images all need fair use rationales or the article will get a quick-fail by the editor looking it over for GA. --Nehrams2020 00:56, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * as far as I can tell, they are all fair use- screenshots or illustrations of the game cover. There was one that had a watermark, but other than that they seem to apply to rationale. David Fuchs (talk &bull; contribs) 01:17, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

GA on hold
This article has promise but these easy to spot issues are a problem. Remember to read the GA criteria. M3tal H3ad 03:29, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Images need fair use rationale. The cover should be called 'fair use rationale'
 * Lot's of double spaces between sections
 * Multiple one sentence paragraphs, remove, merge or expand
 * Halo 2 is compatible with the Xbox 360, including its Xbox Live functionality., all xbox games are?
 * six references in the lead, it should contain none or very little. Remember it is a summary of the article where information will be referenced in the body
 * Halo 2 is, like its predecessor, a story-driven action-shooter game with a first person perspective. Grammar problem
 * More pictures would be nice, especially one for the vehicles and multiplayer
 * try to expand each vehicle as some are too short.
 * See also the contents of Halo 2 Limited Collector's Edition., remove that and wikilink it through the first sentence
 * Halo 2 Multiplayer Map Pack, remove 'Halo 2' the name of the article shouldn't be mentioned in titles
 * Four references are just links in reception and Guinness world records
 * References aren't formatted properly please check,
 * Images need fair use rationale. The cover should be called 'fair use rationale' - Done.
 * Lot's of double spaces between sections - Done.
 * Multiple one sentence paragraphs, remove, merge or expand
 * Halo 2 is compatible with the Xbox 360, including its Xbox Live functionality., all xbox games are? - not sure what you mean here...
 * six references in the lead, it should contain none or very little. Remember it is a summary of the article where information will be referenced in the body - see your talk page
 * Halo 2 is, like its predecessor, a story-driven action-shooter game with a first person perspective. Grammar problem - fixed wording
 * More pictures would be nice, especially one for the vehicles and multiplayer - pictures themselves are not required for GA, so sourcing them, fair use should be enough. Pictures are annoying cans of worms, but I'll see about adding some later.
 * try to expand each vehicle as some are too short. - just removed and will add in a mention in gameplay.
 * See also the contents of Halo 2 Limited Collector's Edition., remove that and wikilink it through the first sentence. - Done.
 * Halo 2 Multiplayer Map Pack, remove 'Halo 2' the name of the article shouldn't be mentioned in titles - Done.
 * Four references are just links in reception and Guinness world records - Fixed these references
 * References aren't formatted properly please check, - Fixed as per above.
 * Anything I missed or you want to clarify? David Fuchs (talk &bull; contribs) 22:40, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I said the pictures would be nice as a suggestion, as with the lead. There is still a double space somewhere in there and i think you missed this
 * Multiple one sentence paragraphs, remove, merge or expand
 * Article is looking a lot better. M3tal H3ad 01:36, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Some copy-editing needs to be done.
 * including Easter eggs, capital in the middle of a sentence
 * are located in hard-to-reach or concealed places, concealed areas
 * sentence above drags on a bit.
 * In Halo 2, however, Xbox players, what?
 * Unlike the original Halo, which featured both health and shields, the HUD in this game removed the health bar. However the player still has a shield which absorbs a finite amount of punishment. When the shield is depleted, the player is vulnerable; however if not exposed to fire the shield regenerates over a period of time, Read it and you will see it needs to be reworded.
 * Some weapons can be used at the same time, remove this. Just say a new feature that allows players to dual wield
 * When playing in this mode the player must complete ,remove 'in'
 * Areas of the maps that players would normally never visit are nevertheless fully built, uhhh?
 * Many levels of the Campaign are set in huge, intricate maps, what types of maps, ice, mountain, forest landscapes?
 * uses a service such as GameSpy, remove 'such as' and put 'called'
 * These are just a few examples, i see there is a wikiproject Halo so i suggest get some fans of the game to give it a copy-edit. M3tal H3ad 11:03, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I did ask for help from WP:H, but perhaps they're all out for the holidays... :) Anyway, I've done copyediting, specifically the parts you said above, though I haven't gone through the reception part yet. Also, uses a service such as GameSpy, remove 'such as' and put 'called' , actually, gamespy is not the only type of service, just one of the more notable ones, so that edit stands. I also found some duplicate info and moved and merged, and I believe I've gotten rid of ALL the double spaces and one-sentence paragraphs. Happy holidays! David Fuchs (talk &bull; contribs) 20:06, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Issues addressed, passed. My only suggestions are get a CVG peer-review and re-word the 'Additional maps' section. Goodwork M3tal H3ad 01:44, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

One problem I have with the article
A lot of the sourcing seems to come directly from Bungie (and I don't mean the plot, which I think it very well-referenced). Does anyone else think more info should come from major gaming (or perhaps mainstream media) publications, especially considering the vast, vast amount of sources available in relation to the game, and the fact that your IGNs, GameSpots, etc. comment every time anything related to Halo happens. -- Kicking222 23:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Certainly a valid question. One thing I have noticed, however, is that because 'GameSpots, etc. comment every time anything related to Halo happens', a lot of what they say happens not to be true. They make news: Bungie just sends out press releases. That said, if you find good sources, feel free to add them! David Fuchs (talk &bull; contribs) 23:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Xbox Live Playlist removal
Well i was wondering why no mention of the recently removed playlists (Such as Multi-team and others) in the xbox live section has been commented on. --WarDragon 22:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Flood Juggernaut
Someone needs to add something about the flood juggernaut. --Discharger12 20:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

No, there doesn't. Maybe it being mentioned in how some data wasn't included in the game, such as the E3 campaign level and a new flood race called Juggernaut, but not a section about it.

That's what I meant. --Discharger12 14:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

The Flood Juggernaut is non-existant in the un-modded world. People think Gravemind is the Jugger, but hes not.  ATROCITY1313 

Bungie's own comments on the game
A recent issue of Edge included an extensive feature on Bungie, which has now been republished on the Edge website. It's very interesting, particularly for the development staff's own comments on the disappointments of Halo 2:

"The trick is to avoid designing or writing by committee. You have to take what’s best from the input you’re getting and not have it turn into that too many cooks situation."

''"That’s sort of what happened with Halo 2," agrees Greisemer. "Toward the end we were working on balancing the weapons and everybody was very vocal about a ton of things and I think eventually we just sort of polished away some of those hard edges."''

It may be useful to incorporate comments such as those into the article. -- Nick RTalk 12:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Weapons
This article should have a weapons section. It would be very useful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.170.204.50 (talk • contribs)

Useful doesn't translate into what is encyclopedia-worthy. My phone number would be useful, but that doesn't mean it can be put up here. Dåvid ƒuchs (talk &bull; contribs) 16:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Um, no Fuchs. --Discharger12 01:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Huh? Dåvid ƒuchs (talk &bull; contribs) 01:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Discharger12, what? Have you not looked at Wikipedia's guidelines? Peptuck 05:58, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps useful was a bad choice of words on his part, but, there certainly should be one. Many things in a number of pop-culture articles aren't really encyclopedic in that sense, but what's the point in an enforced reducement of info? Zombieninja101


 * Following WP:NOT? Peptuck 04:25, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, bad choice of words on my part now. nonetheless, there is nothing along the lines of the subject in question mentioned there, so my argument still stands. Zombieninja101

Give me a feautured article showing a list of weapons in it, then. As it currently stands, information on weapons in available in the respective articles for each faction. Peptuck 07:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, actually, I know of two. I just have no idea what magazines. Or do you mean featured here? Zombieninja101


 * Yes, here on Wikipedia. Peptuck 08:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Here is a good example Half-Life 2. It is a featured video game article with a weapons section. Laptopdude 01:29, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Modding?
Hey is there going to be an article about modding? its very annoying and i think people should be aware on how annoying it is and maybe a little bit of tips on how to avoid getting modded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.77.229.218 (talk • contribs)
 * Talking about modding is not really what wikipedia's about; it's mentioned and explained in the article, but thats about all we can or should add about it. Dåvid Fuchs ( talk / contribs ) 01:25, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

-k just being curious thanks

vandals
someone put a unimportientword int there.Marioman12 15:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Backwash removed from matchmaking
Can we/someone add that Bungie has removed Backwash from matchmaking because of the XBOX 360 ghosting. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SGAtlantis 17:22, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Team SWAT
Team SWAT is not a ranked gametype. It is among my favorite game type along with Team Slayer and have never played this game ranked. Is there proof to back that up or no? -Domovoi 16:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Adding References to the Article
Apparently, the addition of any more references is not possible at this moment, at least not for me. This has been so for quite a few weeks now. Exactly how can I get a new reference added to the article?

I ask this because a reference I had added several months ago was removed, apparently by someone who felt it was redundant. It was a link to the Bungie.net forums where Jeremiah (a.k.a., "Ninja on Fire"), the guy who is in charge of Halo 2's matchmaking, said that the use of superbounces in matchmaking is cheating. I also added a reference that linked to another B.net post where Tom "Achronos" Gioconda, another Bungie employee, similarly stated that the use of button combos (e.g. "BXR") is cheating as well. The link to Achronos' post is still in the references list, but the reference still says "Superbounces". Since Achronos never specifically mentioned superbounces, I think the link to Jeremiah's post should be added back to the references list, as it is IMO not redundant. The description of the reference should be modified to include "Button Combos" with "Superbouncing" to better clarify things. Here is the link in question:

If anyone here has the clearance to alter the references list and feels, like I do, that re-adding said link is worthwhile, then please do so. Thanks. JGoodman 07:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Nevermind. I figured out what I was doing wrong. I added the above link to the list of references, which should help clarify for reasons I stated above a couple weeks ago. JGoodman 12:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Release date?
The article has the release date listed as April 24, but the article it references lists the release date as 2007/2008. I've seen other sites that list it as TBA 2007 or June 1. Where's this April 24 date coming from? And since the sources are so varied, is it even worth putting a definitive release date on the article?

Ratiocinate 16:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Halo 2 Glitches
Should we make a part of the page for Halo 2 Glitches? Something Like this:

Glitches

 * On High Charity you begin the level with 78 bullets for your Covenant Carbine, when the maximum bullets you can ever have on the Carbine it 72!

-23PatPeter*∞ 22:51, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

No. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Where's your reasoning behind that? Plenty of games have a glitches section, and I think if there are glitches/easter eggs they should be listed in their own section as well. Alan Fishers 18:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Because so far, he has one glitch, which itself is his own observation, or original research, as I assume any others added would be. Also, the important problems are referenced in the Additional Content section, about what was and was not covered by patches. Also, I cannot find a Featured video game Article that have a Glitches section. We need to keep it at a Featured Article level of quality, which means not having a Glitches section with, so far, one unsourced glitch. -- Viewdrix 20:41, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * have you ever thought that maybe they added that as a gameplay issue i.e. making the game more manageable. i know it sounds petit but 6 extra shots can make a difference, and bungie might of knowingly implemented that for gameplay reasons. They also do the same thing on the level after 'regret', which i have forgot the name of. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leemyster (talk • contribs) 14:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a game guide. Glitches sections in any gaming article are not supposed to exist no matter how many sourced glitches exist. The same deal goes for cheats and trivia. WP:CVG/GL 60.241.169.85 07:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Machinema
How is this completely absent from Halo 2? Or for that matter, all of the Halo articles? AJFederation 10:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Spelling
There are numerous spelling mistakes - ie "to" should be "too"; "their" should be "there"...cmon people, grammer 146.243.4.157 18:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Then sign up and fix them when you can edit the article. Peptuck 19:01, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, could you point them out? A quick Ctrl+F search of their and there yielded no mistakes. Cheers,  S.D.  21:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Grammar? -- Ianiceboy 10:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

If you'r gonna criticize someone on spelling and grammar mistakes, maybe you shouldn't say things like "cmon" and "grammer".....cmon people.