Talk:Halo 3/Archive 4

PLEASE NOTE!
I've archived some of the older conversations, but due to the lax posting method, it's pretty disorganized. From now on, please start new topics at the bottom! I'm going to just make this easier with a link up top. David Fuchs 21:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Leaked Content
Do NOT upload leaked and/or accidentally released photos and/or videos of the Halo 3 Alpha and/or beta.

The HUD
In the shot of the HUD you see in the Et Tu Brute video, there is a fourth grenade type... can anyone make it out? I was only aware of three grenade types, as the "Shield Grenade", if it even is in gameplay, wouldn't count as a grenade - it'd be bad gameplay because you would need to look at the ground to throw it, otherwise you'd be throwing your shield away from you. --Ras29 06:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Bungie has semi-officially nixed the fourth grenade- that not to say it won't become a gameplay element somehow (x button?), but there are only three grenades in the alpha tests everyone is actually playing- that includes Frag, Plasma, and Spike. Also, no one ever confirmed it was the Shield, and some have noted that if anything, the design resembles a flashbang from the Art of Halo book.209.153.128.248 21:19, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ras29, it's always possible to simply make it so that the Bubble Shield is automatically thrown down at the ground regardless of the reticle's position. Asides from that, there is no confirmation of the fourth grenade type's identity (the Bubble Shield device is deployable as a grenade) so it may be best to leave it out of the article for now. If someone so much as suggests the fourth grenade type in the article, I can only imagine the wave of edits and reverts that will come from it. Amalga 02:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Weellll.... in the video of halo 3 that I've just watched: http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=MPBetaAndVidocRelease, they talk about laying some sort of trip mine to blow up the advancing warthog, that could be it, though whether it counts as a grenade I don't know... Amalga 20:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
why the hell is everyone blanking the page? ive looked in the history and its been done 4 TIMES TODAY ALONE. (today is Feb 2 BTW) even though i'm not a member, we should appeal for the "non members can't edit it thing." this vandalism is starting to get extremely annoying. please stop. only a 2 year old would do something like that.
 * I wholly agree. This article needs to be protected from unregistered members. Also, if there's a way to IP ban those who have been detected by the anti-vandal bots... Seriously, two days worth of edits in this article has been nothing but vandals and the following reverts. How does someone avoid banning with a name like "I mess with Wikipedia"? Amalga 21:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

It looks like the first few paragraphs of the body have some words intersperced that don't belong. It looks like some actual words were replaced which is the reason that I'm not changing it, since I don't know the original article. Here's a quote of the messed up areas.

"The trailer opens with a powerful orchestral piece, showing a desolate and dry desert area, a few miles inland of the remaining rubble of New Mombasa, which was destroyed in Halo 2. Parts of the broken wiener are shown in the background. Through the fartgas and rubble of a ruined chicken factory a gay Spartan emerges..."

Just thought the regular contributers to this article should know. User:sono_Ryuu_sochi|sono_ryuu_sochi]] 13:20, 09 January 2007 (MST)
 * Vandalism on this article's been a bit more rampant as of late. Every single edit I came across today was either vandalism or a revert, and they've been much more frequent. I believe the paragraph should read:

"The trailer opens with a powerful orchestral piece, showing a desolate and dry desert area, a few miles inland of the remaining rubble of New Mombasa, which was destroyed in Halo 2. Parts of the broken space elevator are shown in the background. Through the smoke and rubble of a ruined (unknown) a Spartan emerges..."
 * That's what I can recall. Seeing as there have been no real changes to the article outside of vandalism, I suggest simply reverting the whole thing to the most recent "good" version. Amalga 20:46, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I am not a member, but removed some very bad words. Good idea to make it users only

I have a suggestion to the vandilism, since they're Ip banned that means we have their IP address right? Well I suggest we give them a warning that we will give their IP to hackers, that way they'll be afraid that they won't have a computer to use.


 * No. Not only does Wikipedia policy forbid this, its also illegal. Peptuck 02:54, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Galo sounds funny doesnt it, oh and cocktana, and various other terms.

no, actually it sounds like vandalism. Which I and others reverted Also please sign your posts with the 4 ~ (twiddles) --Xiahou 00:08, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

M274 ULATV Mongoose
Added an image of the Mongoose. If it's possible to put a few spaces between it and the right column, please do so. Thx. JAF1970 18:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * And it was removed. Why? JAF1970 20:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

That is possibly because it was leaked information, and therefore not allowed to be placed upon the page. Karakkan 15:44, 23 March 2007
 * No, bungie has released a picture of the mongoose on their website. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Infinitejpower (talk • contribs) 22:17, 26 March 2007 (UTC).

Tartarus' vs Tartarus's
The first is still proper english, regardless of "Some respected sources", and is used throughout wikipedia. WookMuff 23:42, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. Such a minor grammatical quibble--particularly when both disputed forms are proper English, shouldn't incite argument. If it's proper, leave it be unless it's a fundamental flaw to the article. Amalga 02:13, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Apostrophe states that "If the singular possessive is difficult or awkward to pronounce with an added s sound, do not add an extra s." I really don't think it is difficult or awkward to pronounce Tartarus's, so it should be Tartarus's. WikiMan78 04:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Stop the back and forth editing. Both are grammatically correct, both are proper, and need to be left alone. Reserve edits for more substantial things and quit arguing about a stupid apostrophe. It has no relevance to the article whatsoever. Whether you say Tartarus' or Tartarus's, it reads exactly the same. Leave it alone. Amalga 04:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

January 15 Leaked Footage
http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=34936

Obviously some Halo 3 "game footage" has surfaced on GameTrailers.com. I've searched for it elsewhere and haven't found it yet. It looks real, but the video's too choppy and low-res to be able to tell. Also, whoever posted the video on GameTrailers had nothing to say of where the footage came from or how it was obtained. A paragraph was added to the "Release and Other Information" section of the article, but I hid it for safety's sake, seeing as it was purely fan-based info. If someone can find some information to support that this is real stuff, then disregard my thoughts and put the paragraph back up.


 * It looks like it could be halo 3 because the sniper miniscreen resembled the Halo 2 version because it showed the screen, but it was tinted green, possibly updated. You can't really see much but the thing that convinced me most were the medals that popped up in the mid left near the end of the clip for a double kill and a snipe, and the blue shotgun sights. I don't think there's much point in adding it to the article though. The minor things that were seen in the video are most likely going to be changed by release anyway. Might as well wait a month or two until the beta release to add more detailed info since it'll be more accurate. Dan Guan 01:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Regardless, Bungie's widespread removal of the video pretty much confirms that it was not meant to be leaked out. Members of Halo 3's fanbase--particularly those involved with organizations such as HBO and High-Impact Halo, have been able to putz around with Halo 3's alpha build for Bungie's Hump Day Challenges. Someone from that "upper community" must have taken video of the game and posted it on the net, violating a non-disclosure agreement. Hence the video shouldn't ever show up here. Amalga 08:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Building?
Why is the rubble the MC walks through a in the E3 trailer called a "building?" It seems more likely that it is a bit of space elevator, and I don't recall Bungie ever calling it a "building." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.246.130.193 (talk) 22:16, 18 January 2007 (UTC).
 * A space elevator is a building. Peptuck 06:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Prophets
Shouldn't prophets (or at least Truth) go under enemies?
 * They're not confirmed by reliable sources to be in Halo 3 yet. we all know they're going to be there, but until we get a reliable source saying they'll be in there, they're out. Peptuck 23:12, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

"Something larger than a Grunt"
Should it be put that this new species might be a Sharquoi?
 * No. Likelihood does not equate to fact--while it may be likely that this "new" Covenant species is the omitted Sharquoi, there is just not enough evidence to support it, let alone any sign of reliable confirmation. It's purely speculation, and will be left out. Also, please sign your comments. Amalga 04:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Arbiter?
I know that Bungie is not known for their generosity of game details. However, the question is still out there, will the Arbiter again be part of the main story, and be a playable charecter. It seems likley that he will make a return, since he was with Sarge, and Maranda at the end of the second game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gundam94 (talk • contribs) 22:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC).
 * While it is quite likely he will return, we can't add him to the list until we have a reliable source saying he is returning. Peptuck 23:18, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. While it seems obvious that the Arbiter will return, if not as a playable character then at least as an important NPC, without citeability its a no go... for now. WookMuff 02:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

This source on this statement says nothing about the statement.
Actress Julie Benz is not voicing Miranda Keyes for Halo 3. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Momo Hemo (talk • contribs) 20:49, 27 January 2007 (UTC).
 * Perhaps, then, you ought to actually read the source. Julie Benz herself says that she will not be part of Halo 3, those words in that order in at least two instances during the interview with TV Guide. The interview also mentions that Halo 3's Miranda Keyes will have an accent and a different voice. Please do not use Wikipedia to discuss your opinions on whether or not this is a positive development. Amalga 08:46, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Point in case:

TVGuide.com: Are you all done with your voice work for the Halo 3 video game? ''Benz: You know what? I am actually not a part of Halo 3. I was informed a couple of weeks ago that they are actually changing the voice of Captain Miranda Keyes, and giving her an accent.'' Peptuck 08:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't debating the validity of that statement, as I have no knowledge on that. What was happening was that my browser was messing up the sources. It went to 48 instead of 47. Sorry about that. Momo Hemo 09:29, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Release date
When I was at my local Gamestop this past weekend my freind (who works there) told me that they had just receved the offical release date of Halo 3. I saw the compnay memo (I guess you could call it that) said that the game will hit the store shelves on November 1, 2007.Gundam94 18:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not a verifiable source, though. Peptuck 20:05, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

on play.com, http://play.com/Games/Xbox360/PROD/3-/1012078/Halo_3/Product.html the relese date is 27/04/2007
 * Not a verifiable source. If the release date doesn't come from Bungie themselves, then it's just safer not to trust it. Amalga 22:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Sometime this fall, straight from Bungie. http://www.bungie.net/images/news/inlineimages/H3smaller_H3-Teaser_vertical.jpg 69.129.199.41 01:27, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Sure Bungie said when they are about to release Halo 3 they will tell everyone, yet people we take the dates of other websites, I have used Play.com to get Halo 2 on release date and I did not look at the dates that these shops give, I only believe bungie as they can say that it will be released on a certain date. SGAtlantis 00:36, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The fact that speculative release dates from unreliable sources were posted here was a mistake to begin with, which is why they were removed. Amalga 04:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Please dont take my comment as how could you remove the play.com release date I was just saying that Bungie says dont take any dates over their own. :) SGAtlantis 11:23, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Please don't take my comment as misreading yours. You made the assertion that speculative release dates were being allowed into this article, and I presented a differing viewpoint. We know enough to only take Bungie's word on the matter--not a third party. Speculative release dates have already been removed and will keep being removed if given without official confirmation. Amalga 06:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * My two pence: The picture accompanying this article has a big three in a Halo-style logo and under it in big white letters it says "Fall 2007". Lol. Sorry if that came across as patronising, but it had to be pointed out. El Oscuro 16:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That's a new picture, it wasn't there when this conversation started. 70.49.132.247 22:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I reckon that it'll be released on the 7th of July 2007. Bungie wouldn't miss an opportunity like 07/07/07. MaddenedMan

I noticed that release information also included shots of some of the game packaging, but no source is cited. Any chance this can be fixed please?--TrevelyanL85A2 06:45, 26 March 2007 (UTC) Walmart.com also states a release date of November 1st.
 * Please sign your posts. Until bungie says so, any retailer websites are assumed to be estimations for pre-ordering purposes. WookMuff 22:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Citation on The brute vehicle formally known as the Brute Ghost
http://cache.libsyn.com/podtacular/podtacular98.mp3 On the New Podtacular, Luke Smith from 1up talked about how the brute ghost isn't actually called the brute ghost. Durandal-217 11:22PM EST 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it's called a mauler. http://www.bungie.net/News/TopStory.aspx?link=charginmalasers Note anything in italics on the page. DarthJango42 01:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

???
On the main page of this article I see the following. . . "On January 28, 2007, Martin O'Donnell of Bungie Studios stated in an interview with David Stockli of Gamesweb, that 'After our work with Halo 3, there is a possibility we will move in the direction of a multi-platform game industry. 'We aren't done yet, and we've been curious of the Playstation 3's power. If xbox 360 had as much space as the Playstation 3 the game probably wouldn't be released until late 2008. Our guys have really been working hard on Halo 3. The game has big expectations, and we've gotta meet those expectations. If we can't, then that's just unacceptable.' O'Donnell also hinted future Playstation 3 games. 'Our Halo games have done well, which is why we are debating on expanding our games out to other consoles such as the Playstation 3'. When asked if any Halo games would be ported to the Playstation 3 in the future, O'Donnell stated that for now 'they remain xbox and xbox 360 exclusive'. [50]"

The reference that it cites is the announcement of the beta test and I think we all know that with Bungie being a totally owned subsidiary of Microsoft, this ain't happening. I tried to delete it but for the life of me I can't find it on the page. If someone else could do the honour it would be appreciated.
 * It was vandalism. I'd already disposed of it when you started trying to edit it. Peptuck 01:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Live action?
Under the ESPN TV advertisement, the article states: "On December 4, 2006, a 60-second CGI commercial for Halo 3 was aired on ESPN, followed by a release on Xbox.com and Xbox LIVE. The advertisement does not contain any gameplay footage, and was created entirely by Digital Domain, using a mix of live action (for the two children) and animation" The children look real, but are they truly "live action?" This site indicates that the children are CGI models.

Regards, Mentat Tir 13:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, they are. The opening scene (with the children) was filmed on a live set. They simply altered the lighting and filters so the transition to CGI wouldn't be as jarring. There is a Bungie Weekly Update that states this, if you look into "Older Stories" on the Bungie.net website. Amalga 14:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

There are two types of Grunts?
This is rather unimportant, but Grunts is listed twice in the known enemies column. Rmsuperstar99 06:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

no, grunts are fighting on both sides, so they are listed as both allies and enemies.

Mauler & Chopper
The Mauler is being listed on B.Net as being specifically Covenant in origin, but the 'Chopper' isn't; it's just listed as being 'enemy'. Now this could be a human enemy or not, but going with the Covenant and the naming of the vehicles, I'm willing to bet that the Chopper isn't alien.


 * I'm not aware of any factions within humanity they might be fighting, let alone one with enough resources to field a chopper. It's also highly unlike it was merely a "test" as it clearly states that the pilot was also incinerated.


 * Matoushin 18:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Citations?
There's a tag at the top of the page saying that there needs to be a consistent citations system for the page... but it seems relatively systematic to me... maybe I'm just missing something. Whoever put it there should at least give some examples. Dan Guan 23:04, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I put it up there when the references links were in the references section but mostly looked like:, , etc. and there were several duplicates. I've since went though and cleaned them up and changed them all to url links, but it's still a bit sloppy. -th1rt3en 23:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I put a citation needed thing on mt. killimanjaro as a confirmed part of the game, but it's been removed. Why? I've read every weekly update, and I don't remember anything about Mt. Killimanjaro being in Halo 3. Maybe I forgot, but it should at least have a citation since it's not really common knowledge. Dan Guan 00:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * If I remember, they mentioned it when they announcement trailer came out, noting that Kilimanjaro could be seen in the background. Not sure though. -th1rt3en 00:16, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * They mentioned that "There's more snow on Kilimanjaro in the E3 trailer than there is in real life".--ABVS 23:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Release and Other Information
I've been looking over the Release and Other Information section and noticed that a majority of the information there consisted of speculated release dates (all of which only serve to lengthen the article). Would it be too much to suggest removing these speculated dates and simply state that Bungie has not disclosed a target date yet? I would have done so myself but I wanted to make sure it was okay. Amalga 23:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd be all for it. Make sure to include a note that speculative dates have been removed for brevity's sake. Peptuck 23:02, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Et tu brute video link
I didn't see the link for the video. I found it onn bungie.net here. Can someone put it in the article?--71.170.41.7 18:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Gravity clarify
Is the ability to change gravity confirmed to be in the final game, or is it just something they are able to do with the alpha builds? -th1rt3en 00:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Bungie mentioned in the EGM Halo 3 blowout that gravity will be one of several customizable variables in multi-player matches. I don't know if they actually set that in stone, but if they're still using it for alpha builds, it's likely that it will be implemented. Amalga 04:35, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It is only being used in the testing of the many customizable options in multiplayer. It has not been confirmed for the final build. Os00na707 21:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Release date announced
I've added the release date, because Bungie has announced it: 

A direct link to the promotional poster:  --Ras29 03:33, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

There are TWO posters, actually. www.xboxic.com/news/2418 JAF1970 17:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, yeah - but basically the same thing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ras29 (talk • contribs) 05:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC).


 * Can someone please update the release date in the "Release Date and Other Information" section, to clarify Fall of 2007, instead of sometime this year or whatever it says. Thanks...
 * The beginning of the article and the inset already says "Fall 2007." Amalga 04:48, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Halo 3 advert reads like a novel
I do not know wikipedia policies, but why is it that the halo 3 advert setion reads like a novel/book. Is this how a wikipedia article should be written? for example...

"The Chief then charges forward, holstering his pistol and brandishing the Assault Rifle as he leaps off a ledge into a cluster of Brutes, many of which appear to be wielding Spikers, except for the leader, who seems to be wearing a red headdress with red-themed armor"

and another bit is

"Reeling, the dazed Master Chief struggles to regain his orientation. He catches a glimpse of aircraft overhead as he reaches for his helmet lying on the ground. He staggers to his feet, taking note of the overturned"

Far be it for me to critisize the effort that has gone in, but does this read like a wikipedia article or some sort of book. Basically, its over descriptive. Why is a frame for frame account of the advert needed. Its too much, and uncesseary. Its an ADVERT.

This is also apparent in sections of the e3 2006 trailer anlysis.

"Chief watches as the structure blooms and a round of pronged spires unfold toward the sky as the surrounding Covenant craft slowly fly away from it. A brilliant light rapidly consumes the area, fading to black as Cortana closes with"

Wow, a "brilliant light", the "structure blooms". Is this supposed to be an engaging thriller? The article should be written like the ''"Et tu, Brute?" Video Documentary'' section which is objective and factual. I recommend a rewrite of some these sections, I don't mind doing it if no one wants to.(81.133.162.239 13:55, 23 February 2007 (UTC))
 * And there's a reason for this. The "Et tu, Brute?" ViDOC did not have a story element in it. It was, at its essence, a purely informational piece that's meant to demonstrate what is being done in the game. Therefore, it's more appropriate to describe it as such.
 * The Halo 3 ESPN ad, however, is focused around the game's story elements. It does not feature any "real" gameplay elements other than the models and assets that Bungie provided for the production of the commercial. It's meant as a teaser only, to emphasize on the game's role as the story arc's closing element. In that case, it's more appropriate to simply describe the video's events and paint the picture for those who haven't seen it yet. It is, in itself, informative of the contents. Amalga 16:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I rewrote the "novel-like" ESPN ad a couple of weeks ago, and I still think the E3 announcement needs to be rewritten to about half or a third the current size. It is getting close to a year old, after all. We are likely to have much more material for the Marketing section in the coming weeks. ABVS 22:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Rewrite and reorganise
I've rewritten a lot of the stuff and reorganised it into a new form. The page was previously a mish-mash of information. It had descriptions of trailers, dot points of various items that had been revealed, all of which made it hard to actually find out what you likely want to know if you're coming to this page: What's Halo 3 going to be like? So I have gathered all the information that's relevant to various facets of the game (Graphics, Audio, Plot, Gameplay and Multiplayer in the initial edit) and put it right up the top of the article where it will be easily read. I have deleted nothing; the more detailed descriptions are still available further into the article. This page is likely to see quite a bit of traffic as the marketing campaign gears up and I think the new layout will be more useful for both your average punter and your hardcore Halo fan. ABVS 00:00, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I removed sprinting from the list on the Halo 3 advert.
It had *The Chief Sprinting.

As of now this is not confirmed, moreover there is no distinction between running and sprinting in the ad. If you were to mention his little run then you might as well say they are going to have his side-step dodge and air jump kick in the game also.

Speculation does not equal fact.

Laughtrey 00:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * There was no speculation about it, it was a direct observation. The speed at which chief was running has never before been shown, either in cutscenes of Halo 1 or 2, or in any trailer for Halos 1-3 preceding this one. We know from the novels that Master Chief is capable of sprinting at over 100kph for short bursts. It is not yet confirmed as a gameplay element, but then neither is the Bubble Shield. It's just something superbadass that they showed for the first time in this advertisement.ABVS 11:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

He has sprinted in Halo 2 without a weapon on the level "Delta Halo", and the bubble shield has been confirmed as in game by Frankie in a Weekly update, at least theres been mention of that as opposed to the "sprinting".

Honestly, I don't see a reason for giving fuel to the fire that is sprinting. People were so sure it was going to be in Halo 2, and look how that turned out.

Laughtrey 05:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The ad in question does not represent actual gameplay. Bungie explicitly stated as much. Therefore, in writing a textual description of the contents of the ad, I see no problem in using to word "sprinting". Because some dolt might take the ad as fuel for gameplay speculation--despite an official warning against doing so--explanations of the ad's content should not be needlessly modified. It is simply an accurate description of what occurs. --The Berzerk Dragon 07:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly, Bungie clearly said that it was actually supposed to represent gameplay. In the week that Frankie announced it, he said it would have "gameplay elements" and a wbout a week ago I remember reading somewhere that it was supposed to represent gameplay in every way (except of course the kids and the MC waking up). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.228.121.50 (talk) 05:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC).
 * Listening to a podcast from one of the reference links they clearly say its just a teaser and is not to be takin as gameplay at all. Reference link 47 --- FuzionZero 17:59, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

B Button possible command
The new B button command could be for the shield, it may not be classed as a grenade. Then again, it's only a thought people. Lawnmowers Rock! 11:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

B button is still melee by default, however it is taking over what command X would be for case-sensitive activations. So instead of "Hold X to get into warthog/enable teleporter/open door" it's now B. Laughtrey 07:18, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * As I understand it, bungie were quite specific that the Action Button (what used to be X - used for get into vehicle, open door, pick up weapon etc) will become RB. It was mentioned that the context sensetive alternate use for B would be "something cool", but they were not specific about it. Wait for the Beta (as if everyone doesnt already have their copy of Crackdown). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yeti Hunter (talk • contribs) 11:38, 5 March 2007 (UTC).
 * RB would be pick up weapon now for the right hand, making it easier than before. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Laughtrey (talk • contribs) 05:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

Your help
I suppose you guys editing this article know the Halo series so I'd appreciate it if one of you could look at Guardians and fix up the disambiguation that has to do with Halo as I have no idea what it's referring to. Thanks, Yonatan (contribs/talk) 22:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * "Guardians" refers to multiplayer matches, where a player is killed via odd means (e.g. a crate falling down from above crushing them, or a wierd level glitch killing the player) Normally, when the player dies, a message such as "You were killed by (Player X)" or "You committed suicide" appears. When one of the "wierd" deaths happens, the player instead gets a message saying "You were killed by the Guardians". essentially, its the game saying that you were killed by some means other than suicide or enemy players. Peptuck 05:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * There is also a way to summon a guardian. It is very hard to do and only one person can see him. He runs around and kills people, except the person that can see him. You have to try to summon him though. Superbowlbound 13:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If you're going to try to propagate lies, do it on a poorly-moderated message board where trolls like you are welcome--not an online encyclopaedia. Search the Internet. There is no visual evidence of anyone ever encountering such a thing. People decompiled the game thoroughly enough to discover (and demonstrate) the unused Flood Juggernaut model, but there is absolutely no visible "Guardian" anywhere to be found. I've played Halo 2 multiplayer since the month the game came out, and I can confidently say, without even checking, that there are no actual "Guardians" going around, slaying players in MP matches. Ever. Under any circumstances.--The Berzerk Dragon 07:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Plot
in the plot section it says thet the grunts allied with the bruted in halo 2. I haven't played in awhile but i think at the end the alliances go:

Humans*

Elites* Grunts Hunters

Brutes Jackals Prophets(idk if thats their name)


 * at the end of halo 2 the seargent, captian keys's daughter and the arbiter are talching about the arch(i think its the arch), the arbiter seems to have no aggression to the seargent or captin keys and them likewise
 * "At", "Halo", "Sergeant", "Keyes", "Arbiter", "talking", "Ark", "toward" (not "to"), "Captain" (two different variants). At least ten unique errors in one sentence. Please, people, for the sake of maintaining some sort of decorum here, think when you type and look at what you've typed before you hit click "Save Page". Also: sign your comments. --The Berzerk Dragon 17:19, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Grunts are seen fighting alongside Brutes in Gravemind, High Charity, and in the Halo 3 Brute preview. Peptuck 03:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Multiplayer Maps
I'm of the opinion that the only maps that should be included in this section at the present time are the three that have been formally revealed, Snowbound, Valhalla and High Ground. I'm well aware that the others have been mentioned, but only in passing to describe a particular game element, such as light filtering through dirty glass windows ("big indoor level"), atmospheric effects ("cold base / warm base") or gametypes ("Codename jub jub"). In other words, we know nothing about the maps themselves. "Unknown big level"? That tells the reader nothing. May I suggest the minimum info needed in order to be added be a name and basic knowledge of the terrain?ABVS 00:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Ther is a MISTAKE IN THE HALO ARTICLE
in the article there is a picture off master chief and it says "The Master Chief's MA5C Assault Rifle, along with the charred wreckage of a Warthog visible in the background." But if you look closely it is actually the new ATV Mongoose vehicle. They need to fix this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spamination (talk • contribs) 03:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC).
 * I have compared the picture with confirmed pictures of the Mongoose, and compared the noses of both. I can confidently say the wreckage in the background is the Warthog. Bboundy 03:45, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * One image contains a Warthog. Another contains a Mongoose. The one where the Chief is kneeling to recover his rifle is a Warthog, which is obvious from its windshield, winch-and-cable, and general shape, as well as size. There's already been a long, extended discussion on this in the archives. Peptuck 04:03, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Here's links to similar discussions:
 * December 5-8
 * December 11-13
 * Happy editing,  S.D.  12:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Reference Links
The reference link for several elements don't seem to be working. Clicked on them and led me to a page saying that there was no page matching your request, meaning that link is no longer valid. Suggest either remove it or link to another credible page.

Edited discussion to reflect that several links don't work. Noticed on Bungie site that search seems to be temporarily offline. Could be due to that. Mabye temporarily remove broken references till site's search is working again if that is the problem or remove them permanently if it is not, or find new credible pages for reference.

FuzionZero 02:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Bungie updated their website, which means that most of the links directly linking to their top stories and other news items need to be fixed.


 * As an example, the new url for reference #41 is as follows:
 * http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BAGSpartanLaser


 * Matoushin 18:27, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Release dates?
"A beta test of the multi-player component of the game is scheduled to be available in Spring 2007. The final version of the game is due to be released in Fall 2007." As far as I'm concerned, Autumn 2007 comes before Spring 2007. Perhaps actual months could be used? --203.214.56.135 06:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Exsqueeze me? Baking powder? "Spring 2007" lasts from March 21 to June 21, while "Fall 2007" lasts from September 23 to November 22. Now explain to me how Fall 2007, which has yet to occur, somehow takes place before Spring 2007, which is the present season. Time warp? And no, we can't use actual months because neither Bungie nor Microsoft have given us any specific months. All they've given is seasons. Statement retracted. Forgot about the Southern Hemisphere and its reversed seasons (I don't know squat about identifying locations via IP addresses). Not really used to conversing with people from that half of the world. And pardon my snippy remarks. It's gotten to be a reflex after dealing with legions of trolls on online forums like the one at Bungie.net, and I wrongfully assumed that the person above was one as well due to my lapse of memory regarding SH seasons. JGoodman 08:52, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If you look at the IP address, you will see that the user is Australian. Now, in Australia the seasons are reversed, due to the axial tilt being reversed in comparison to the sun. So that means that we in Australia are just moving into Autumn. There is no need to be obnoxious, thanks. WookMuff 09:04, 23 March 2007 (UTC) It happens. Hope I didn't come off too bad also, I am just used to dealing with various-centric viewpoints and tend to react poorly. I suppose that I recognize 203 because I AM from here also. But the NH-centrism is why I inserted the mentions of Quarters into the dates. WookMuff 11:39, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah. NH-centrism is very pervasive despite the markets in Australia, NZ, and elsewhere in the SH, which I'm guessing is due to the large differences in population size. Since everything from NA, Europe, Japan, et al. gets labelled with our seasons (e.g. Halo 3's "Fall 2007" date on recent Bungie material) with no mention of the SH's reversed seasons, you often forget the latter even exists unless you make a concious effort to do so. One wonders why marketing material for a product with an international audience never uses "quarters" rather than seasons when they publish such a general release date. Quarters begin only about a week after a season begins, so it shouldn't be a difficult modification. I guess the only obstacle is the possibility of the average consumer being unfamiliar with the concept. JGoodman 12:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * So shouldn't they change the release date to Quarter 3 instead so that is universally correct? - FuzionZero 01:36, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Oops, forgot to respond. The problem is with the differences in the two sorts of periods.
 * Q3 = June 1 to September 30
 * Q4 = October 1 to December 31
 * Fall = September 23 to November 22
 * Besides that, with releasedate periods, the northern hemisphere is always used, certainly since the only souther hemisphere region that really applies to video games is Australia, in regards to three in the Nothern. JackSparrow Ninja 02:10, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Bungie.net weekly updates links no longer work
Since they updated their site, none of the weekly update citation links work anymore. ♦TH 1 RT 3 EN talk ♦ contribs 04:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: The Dutch website's April 1 claim.
An article from Dutch gaming website NG Gamer claims that the public beta will begin on April 1. However, it does not provide any links of its own backing up said claim. Neither Bungie nor Xbox.com has made any mention of the beta coming out on said date. One would assume that, since April 1 is only 9 days away, they would have made some sort of announcement by now. NG Gamer's claim is also suspicious due to the fact that Bungie has stated that the beta will most likely be released in late Spring, which means that the beta will begin on June or perhaps late May. Until NG Gamer alters their article to substantiate their claims, I see no reason to mention it in the Halo 3 entry. Same for any other third-party website that may make similar claims. JGoodman 11:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * April 1st? April Fools Day? Think that speaks for itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FuzionZero (talk • contribs) 14:01, 23 March 2007


 * As I've asked before, I assume you don't speak Dutch. They do cite their source:
 * "We have just had a conversation with Microsoft..."
 * April Fools jokes are usually done on April 1st self.
 * 1) NG-Gamer was the first to mention, and later the first to confirm the PlayStation Home service for the PlayStation 3.
 * 2) NG-Gamer was one of only two media outlets to be given 50 Halo 3 beta codes.
 * Given 1) the fact they've broken big news out first before and 2) they've gotten a / some connection with Halo 3, I'd say they can be given the benefit of the doubt. JackSparrow Ninja 17:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * So? Some random guy on a gaming website said he had a conversation with Microsoft. And we're simply supposed to take his word? All claims require evidence, regardless of how trustworthy the source is. So far, we only have one person's say so, with no link to any verifiable, official statement from Microsoft or Bungie backing up the "April 1" claim. The burden of proof is on NG Gamer to prove their assertion. JGoodman 22:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * And how is this different then from when IGN would say it? They would also say nothing more then "MS told us". We are on the receiving end, not the providing. If all information would come from MS' (and others) official website, there would be no such thing as press. JackSparrow Ninja 22:24, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Neither 1up, nor IGN, nor any other gaming site is a monolithic entity, nor are they infalliable. Even with the most reliable sources, there is plenty of room for erroneous or outright false information to slip through the cracks — and it sometimes does (e.g. the recent claim by IGN that Halo 3 will ship in September, which turned out to be bogus) —, just like with the rest of the media. This is likely one of those cases, as NG Gamer's claim of April first conflicts with statements made by Bungie that the beta will launch in late Spring. If they said something like "June 1", then maybe their claim would hold more water. Also, I find it highly unlikely that the beta launch would be announced on such short notice. Considering that April 1 is a week from this Sunday, one would think that Microsoft or Bungie would have said something. Shouldn't we have seen a press release, a comment in an interview, or an email dispatch by now? Also, I have yet to see any other major gaming site pick up this story. I don't doubt that NG Gamer is a reputable source, but because of the aforementioned reasons, I believe it would be prudent for everyone to be skeptical of this claim until further information becomes available, preferably from an official source. Only then should it be added to the Halo 3 entry. Well, I've said all I can on the topic, so I will take my leave. JGoodman 23:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I've seen it happen before, hence my faith in the situation. PlayStation Home, as mentioned, also came from pretty much nothing.
 * But we'll take the secure way for now if that sooths your mind. JackSparrow Ninja 02:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Relax guys. But even if it was real, Wikipedia Is Not A Crystal Ball. Still, i am rather excited by this news. Sadly, i don't think we can post it till its confirmed.--Nighthawkzx 03:38, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Et tu, Brute section
There's a lot of vandalism that's been there a long time. It needs to be fixed-- $U IT  00:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

M6 Pistol?
I was wondering why it was a M6 Pistol when it should be a M6D HE Pistol.66.57.23.100 16:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Because we don't know if it is an M6D. Peptuck 17:52, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Master Chief's face
Will we see the Master Chief's face in either Halo 3 or the nupcoming Halo movie? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.225.135.55 (talk) 15:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC).


 * There has been no confirmation on this. I personally hope not, because the mystery of MC's face makes it possible for people to picture him how they want him to be instead of having to accept how he looks. there is a poll on the bungie forum about this aswell FuzionZero 16:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Seeing as how they are making both male and female spartan models, to the best of my knowledge, while not affecting master chief directly as master chief in character is male, it would suggest that bungie is aware of the fact that there are many female players (and certainly many different ethnicities other than whatever master chief may be - caucasian i believe per the books due to his paleness) and would therefore want to leave the immersiveness available to them that they would experience through a more faceless protagnoist... long story short, it might ruin it for alot of the world's gamers if suddenly the master chief is caucasian male... i greatly prefer the faceless chief

MazrimNJ 17:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

will someone make a disambiguation page?
i know someone has more time on their hands than i do... and as another user pointed out there is a nine inch nails? song called halo 3. Robkehr 07:58, April 4 2007 (UTC)
 * The title is "Head Like a Hole", not "Halo 3" (although that's a common name for it - see Halo numbers). I've expressed my sentiments about it on your talk page and the purpose of for. Will 03:33, 5 April 2007 (UTC)