Talk:Halo 3/Archive 7

Lock Maybe?
Leaks have been out and some people will try to edit that showing this. i suggest this gets a lock or semi-lock, because it hasnt been proved yet that the ending is true.
 * Hasn't been proved? It's using the Halo 3 engine with the same voice actors. I highly doubt they could fake that. 72.198.222.230 12:25, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Could be an intentional leak. Remember when the producers of 24 leaked a video of the end of Season 2, which was the same. Except Palmer stands up, smiles and waves, saying 'I'm fine'. 79.67.47.29 14:59, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Argos a UK retailer has been selling street copies. Anyone found playing a copy of Halo 3 will get banned from Live, that is the statment from Microsoft. Sephiroth898989 15:26, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, that's been changed. Only Microsoft employees found playing it will be banned.  Regular gamers won't be banned for playing Halo 3 on Live early.  Useight 15:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

On September 17, 2007 official copies of Halo 3 were released and sold. Since then it has been distributed via IRC, and torrent sites. This is confirmed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by R3skyline (talk • contribs) 18:11, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Halo 3 Ending Leak
Video of the ending has been leaked; how should the article address that? 72.198.222.230 12:01, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

it shouldn't


 * Other articles on Wikipedia talk about leaks (music mostly), this is no different.--WhereAmI 01:17, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

No I think that the ending should be kept quiet. It is not like music at all! It has a plot and the plot should remain secret. You would be irritated if the ending of a book was leaked! At least for some time.Inputdata 17:54, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Currently all we have to go by is leaked footage which is not considered a reliable source. When the game comes out we can confirm if the leaked footage is indeed the ending. There could be a mention of the fact that there was a leak, but the content of the leak is unconfirmed. I personally agree with Inputdata that it would ruin it, so I'm not going to watch the video/s. Once the game is released however there will be a "Plot" section which will spoil the ending for anyone who hasn't played it. James086 Talk &#124;  Email 12:53, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

NEW HALO 3 BLOW OUT ON IGN.COM!!!
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/815/815041p1.html

wow, there is so much info we can add on this article. Duff man2007 21:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Quite, I read all the way through it, but not as much as one would think. A case of it says alot without telling us much. There is some useful info there, just alotta waffle around it.The Walkin Dude 20:03, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

you phail, there is plenty of info to add due to that link Duff man2007 04:43, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Not that I see. Peptuck 05:00, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Looks like mostly the same stuff to me 74.245.38.202 02:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC) User:The Shroud

Listing
For the weapons, maps, equipment, etc., you guys should start listing the confirmed ones and put them in a list instead of the little article that only summerizes a couple of tidbits of information. It's only a month away from Sept. 25 and Bungie and alot of other websites (IGN, 1up, etc.) have confirmed a bunch of other stuff. We should start a list soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * Wikipedia is not a list. We already had that, but it was eliminated because it was unencyclopedic. Peptuck 05:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * And it was huge. the olde "confirmed elements" section practically took over the whole article. And there are plenty of other sites that will list every weapon and vehicle and map etc. Wikipedia doesn't need to RC Master 13:08, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Then link it, should not be a problem if you have external links to access that information, if not then you got a problem. Ripster40 01:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

PC Version
Please don't attack me for asking this (as I'm afraid Xbox fans will do) but what is the current possibility of a PC version being released or done? They have released a PC version for both the original and Halo 2, are they planning to do the same with Halo 3? Just wondering if anyone knew anything about it and therefore it could be added to the article. 72.49.194.69 07:52, 29 August 2007 (UTC) Joshua


 * There hasn't been any word of a Halo 3 PC as far as I know, but as you said, The previous 2 had PC versions released later so it's likely there will be some day. There is no confirmation by Bungie or Microsoft though so it can't be added to the article. James086 Talk &#124;  Email 08:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Again if the last 2 were released you can expect the same of this one. BUT, the first one wasn't released until just prior to xbox Halo 2 coming out, and Halo2 PC is just now coming out. I wouldn't just hold out for the PC version if I were you because it will be a while, and it'll be pretty outdated by then for PC standards.157.174.221.169 19:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Seems I'll have to wait for it on the PC, though. 72.49.194.69 20:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC) Joshua

Yes, but likely not to long, from what i hear. Deal with it and find a friend with a 360 until it comes out... I want it for PC too The Walkin Dude 00:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

See this article http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=170224&skip=yes 72.49.194.69 00:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC) Joshua


 * It will be a few years before the PC version comes out. MS isn't that dumb since this is one of their biggest system sellers.157.174.221.169 19:28, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Just to clarify, a PC version is not being made as of yet. Bungie have already said they want to get the 360 version out before even considering it. But, since the other two were, you can be fairly certain it will eventually come to PC (ahem, Vista). RC Master 13:11, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

in EGM's latest issue, they gave Halo's AI the "best AI" on the showroom floor
This should be included when talking about the AI in the game. Keep in mind that EGM only does console stuff though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.117.224.11 (talk) 01:49, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Gold
What does 'gone gold' actually mean in terms of video games? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.113.218 (talk) 16:05, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Gone gold generally means that it it is certidied Golden master, e.g. it's ready for production then shipment. Gold is he last thing a game is certified before it is released to the people that make all those DVDs, who then pass it on to the store lines and such. The Walkin Dude 17:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Just a note to clarify, "gone gold" has nothing to do with sales numbers like it does in the music industry. The master copies of optical discs were traditionally (and sometimes still are) gold colored due to the material they were made from and with no real marketing purpose.157.174.221.168 20:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

1up's daily coverage
Today there is supposed to be an update but when i went to the website, it was still locked and the date said 9/03/07. Anyone know what time they unlock those? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.113.218 (talk) 14:02, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Check again. It's there now.--Roeas 00:35, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Canadian Money
hey can you guys put the prices of the halo 3 game version in Canadian too. If you do thanks. :)68.145.77.173 23:14, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Legendary only available in ...
I removed the text "The legendary edition is currently only available in North America and Brazil." because it's unsourced and not true. Why Brazil & not UK? Besides, I live in Australia and have pre-ordered the Legendary without any problems. If there's a source listing the places that the Legendary Edition is available, by all means add the info, but make sure it's reliable. James086 Talk &#124; Email 23:33, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Havok Engine
In the box in the top right corner of the page, where it says which Game Engine is used, shouldn't the Havok Engine be listed as well as the Halo Engine, since Havok is used for physics calculation?--Roeas 00:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, on some articles it states the game engine they use, including all the various physics engines, on others it doesn't. I don't see why you can't put it there.The Lord Of The Crayons 00:57, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Different Editions Omission
There missing a difference between the editions. Both the Limited and the Legendary editions come with an "HD Calibration Disk". This was briefly noted on the bungie website. This is a Halo 3 themed disk that will help to Calibrate your HDTV to get the best picture. 69.158.17.235 01:52, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Jason M - TO


 * I could be wrong, but I beleive it is available to everyone with an Xbox Live Silver or Gold membership now. Do some research into it if you want, I'm sure the Bungie forum will be glad to help once they stop posting "phail". Sorry for the rant, but that forum is one of the most immature I've ever been in.--TyGuy92 02:07, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, that tool is on the "Interactive Xbox 360 Disc." So is with the limited and legendary versions. RC Master 12:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Well regardless as to whether its on xbox live, it should be mentioned if it also comes on the disc. Since only like 50% (i think it was) of xbox owners are on live, it would be good info for them. Also, 4chans boards are by far and away more immature than Bungies.157.174.221.168 20:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

addition to weapons section
it should be noted under the weapons section that the covenant needler can no longer be dual wielded due to a significant power increase.


 * Okay, go ahead and make the change. You don't need permission to add info to the entry, that's your right.  If formatting of grammar is not right, someone will make the change for you until you learn.--TyGuy92 02:30, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, by all means make the edit. But, we don't want to be "game guidey" describing all the changes to every single weapon in the game. The overall statement "with minor power and cosmetic changes" is fine I believe. The needler is still the needler and just has different power. RC Master 12:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

when i originally posted this topic here, the page had been locked from editing by some, im guessing that to be those who are not wiki members. so i asked for it to be changed by someone with the power to do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.126.243.32 (talk) 20:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Why are the graphics not much better?
The graphics in this game are disappointing. They have a good replay/cutscene engine but the real gameplay engine looks only slightly better than Halo2.

Halo3 http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/734/734817/img_4818511.html

Halo2 http://media.pc.ign.com/media/804/804393/img_4486727.html

Yes it is a fair comparison even if its the PC version of Halo2 because both are running in high resolution. Seems bungie went lazy on this one and didn't bother to spend the development time to improve the engine to the best of the systems abilities. Like Halo and Halo2, Halo3 is sure to have frame rate issues and even worse when in split screen. Vietone 13:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

have either of u guys seen the halo 3 single player thing? i mean, the graphics blew me away. if u say its not better than halo 2, i dont thuink u payed attantion. the betes werent that great, but there u go: BETA Darthblaze99 14:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * (facepalm) Haven't you noticed by now that the graphics in multiplayer are not going to be as good as the ones in singleplayer? That's because they matter less in multiplayer than they do in singleplayer, which is where the real shininess is going to go. This: is a far better example of Halo 3's graphics, and that itself may or may not be the final build.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peptuck (talk • contribs) 15:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * If you look carefully, there are vast improvements. Halo 2 had visible polygons, whereas Halo 3's polygons are tiny. There weren't really framerate issues in Halo 1 or 2 unless you made a lot of blood on the ground. Though NTSC may differ from PAL-60 in this case. Still, I don't think there's anything bad about the graphics, sure Halo was never a game with amazing graphics but they aren't bad. James086 Talk &#124;  Email 08:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, the action does (supposedly) take place in much larger areas. And there is more going on and more enemies on screen at once. So theres two reasons. Plus, i believe, a lot of the beauty of the game is in its subtlety. the bloom isn't overdone, the lighting it soft were it needs to be, things that are supposed to be natural look natural. textures convery the surface of an object without getting in your face. Oh, and PCs have FAR more RAM than the 360. So even in H2V, they can have higher res textures in some cases. :Plus, who said there would be framerate issues? All accounts so far point to a very stable framerate in Halo 3. While H1 and H2 had some framerate issues, i've seen games with far worse issues in that regard. Oh, and Halo 3 had a much longer "polish" period at the end of development than halo 2, and certainly longer than H1. All signs seem good.
 * Besides, the talk page is for the article, until we have some proper commentary (ie reviews) about how much the graphics suck or not, theres no reason to talk about it. RC Master 13:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, this is an article talk page and we should be discussing the article, not the game. I got a bit sidetracked. Please let's keep it on-topic from now. James086 Talk &#124;  Email 23:52, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * To keep on topic about the article, we should really remove that pic of High Ground or at least mention that the screenshot is from the Beta and NOT the final build and thus not representative of the actual in-game graphics. Bungie has said many times that many graphical settings were turned down or off for the beta. For instance, if someone wishes to dig through their site, they said that there was absolutely not Anti-aliasing in the Beta, and turning that on will help greatly. The purpose of the Beta was to test the gameplay and the online functions, not the graphics engine.157.174.221.168 20:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * While, yes, we should be talking about the article and not the game, I wanted to clear this up. Those are UNFINISHED grahpics. HERE are some finished graphics -, Look at those and try to tell me they're bad.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.167.120.2 (talk) 00:50, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Xbox 360 Achievements
Hi, I wanted to add a link to a list of the Xbox 360 Achievements for Halo 3 in the External Links section on the Halo 3 page, but the page is protected. I was going to add this link: *A list of Xbox 360 Achievements for Halo 3. Can someone help me with this? --UaneReade 14:06, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia generally frowns on Lists and info that is considered fancruft or game-guide like material instead of the type of stuff you'd find in an encyclopedia.(I always forget to sign)157.174.221.168 14:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Picture
For the 2 beta pictures, can you at least mention it's from the beta, you did good on the other picture mentiong it's a work in progress, you might as well mention that the beta pics are from the beta, now seeing that was like 6 months ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.203.115 (talk) 02:29, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It doesn't really matter, does it?-- $U IT  02:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

yes, it does. since it is a beta or work-in-progress still, it needs to ber known that it is not the final productDarthblaze99 11:47, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If you feel so strongly about it, you can add it in yourself-- $U IT  19:00, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

done Darthblaze99 14:19, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Old Maps
Will their be any multiplayer maps from Halo 1 or Halo 2 that will be in Halo 3 other than Last Resort (Zanzibar)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.113.218 (talk) 23:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The game isn't out yet, so who knows. Also, the talk page is to discuss the article, not the game itself-- $U IT  01:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed with above. If you can phrase it in a way that is more encyclopedic and not so game-forum-esque, it could be added. Oh and to answer your question, Lockout has also been remade with a jungle theme and can be seen in the videos from PAX.157.174.221.168 14:40, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

RV please
I would rv the current verison myself but I'm an IP. I can't belvie no one noticed this.--71.170.106.104 02:41, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

in EGM's latest issue, they gave Halo's AI the "best AI" on the showroom floor
Duff man2007 02:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC) this topic was already hereDarthblaze99 14:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Auctions
idk if anyone noticed this, but there's a lot of confusion abt these 2 ebay auctions, u can check the halo.bungie.org site to find out the details, but i'm surprisd no1 posted about it yet.after checking it out, wat do u ppl think, real or not?[] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Discopete117 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Halo 3 is selling on Ebay, add this in
Halo 3 is selling on Ebay, add this in Duff man2007 23:35, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

i already did, look at auctions, i'v also got a link where people discuss it so just delete itDiscopete117 00:54, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

No you didin't. THe word "ebay" or "auction" is not mentioned once. Duff man2007 02:29, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The part about this eBay auction is poorly formatted and place haphazardly in the middle of the article, if it is to stay, it needs to be fixed. Useight 03:15, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * This is the exact text that was in the article. I am removing the text from the article temporarily until it can be cleaned up and a better location found for it within the text of the article:

"- ===Ebay Leek and kids getting banned for life===   - - - - - - THe game is selling on Ebay right now, and kids are also getting banned for life by playin halo 3 right now    - - - - -    - - - - - Source: http://news.filefront.com/halo-3-available-on-ebay/    - - - - -    - - - - - source: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=halo+3+ban"

Useight 03:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Look if you guys don't like it, then fix it yourself. But you can't remove it yourself and not fix it. So either fix it yourself, or don't mess with it Duff man2007 03:33, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Because this issue started an edit war and resulted in Duff man2007 being blocked for 3RR violations, and due to his vehement protestations regarding the block on his talk page, I'm copying my reply and explanation to him here, because I'm guessing a lot of the editors involved in this article are fan types who might not be familiar with our ways at Wikipedia, which is an encyclopedia, not a web forum. My comments to Duff man2007 were:


 * Please read WP:CONSENSUS. The process works like this: you add text. If it's contested, you go and propose it and discuss it on the talk page. You don't add it back in until there is a consensus to do so. Some things that are considered during the discussion: Is the proposed content significant and notable, as we define notability? Is it material worthy of inclusion in an encylopedia (remember, we're not a web forum or chat room)? Is it written in an encyclopedic tone? Does it have sources, and do those sources meet our policies, WP:V and WP:RS? After the discussion and debate, when everyone agrees that the material should be included, then and only then do you add it back in. Doing things the way you did it was a blatant disregard for our ruls, was rude and out of line. The best thing for you to do is apologize, let it go, and move on. In the greater scheme of things, the info you were trying to add simply didn't add substantive content...in other words, in five years, no one's going to care that a beta copy was leaked a couple of weeks before the formal launch - that kind of material just doesn't belong in an encyclopedia; chat room, forum, sure, but encyclopedia, no.  AK Radecki Speaketh  15:40, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

3RR
Refering to the three revert rule, please use this discussion to determine the fate of the eBay leak portion of the article, rather than remove and re-add the content repeatedly. Useight 03:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it can be reworded, as you said above-- $U IT  03:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

So? If you don't like it, then fix it. Don't remove it. Duff man2007 04:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * So... I removed it, per WP:NOT. And it will continue to be removed, this is not a news service nor is a forum to announce cruft like this. Spigot  Map  04:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Spigot your logic is flawed, if something is leeked onto the internet it does go on wikipedia. Try again Duff man2007 04:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Only if said leak can be classified as a reliable source.--Yeti Hunter 04:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I did provide a source. Hell, just go to google news and type "halo 3 ebay" and you'll get results. Like I said, don't even attempt to think to remove this from the page, if you have trouble with the spelling and what not then fix it, don't just blatantly remove it though. Duff man2007 04:15, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for not writing civily. Please READ the wikilinks we have provided and you will see why it will not be included until it is confirmed and reported by a reliable source. Spigot  Map  04:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Confirmation of being on Ebay and being actually leaked are two different things. Its very possible that there is no actual game to sell and the user is only taking peoples money. Until it has been CONFIRMED that it is a real copy of Halo 3, it has no place. Even then it is debateable as simply being fancruft. Please follow Wiki guidelines. Lastly, just because this data was added to other articles does not mean it should have so that is not a valid argument either. Its like thinking you can get out of a speeding ticket by telling the cop that people speed all the time. Oh, and try to be more civil Duffman.157.174.221.169 19:29, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Might be notable to note that 1) this does not deserve to be before all other sections of the article; 2) unless you provide a specific credible source, such information should not be added to Wikipedia; and 3) as according to the comment posted in the article, please do not repeatedly insert your snippet over and over again, until this is issue is resolved on the talk page. Stryik 04:20, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * User was blocked for 24 hours for violating the 19RR rule!  AK Radecki Speaketh  05:25, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Aussie Halo 3 hits eBay
Full retail PAL version of the game leaked.

Right here, IGN.COM - http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/819/819245p1.html

If you argue with the notablitiy of IGN.com you are tremendiously un-informed Duff man2007 04:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * As Spigot has kindly noted, this still possibly falls under WP:NOT, and thus would be unfit to add to this article; that notwithstanding, there is again no reason as to why something as questionable as this should be at the FOREFRONT OF THE ENTIRE ARTICLE. Stryik 04:34, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Styrik, like I said. If something gets leaked onto the internet then it does get added on to wikipedia. Just check any album that has been leaked on the internet. Duff man2007 04:38, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Most albums/games with leaks are confirmed to be leaked. This hasn't even been confirmed yet and possibly a hoax. Spigot  Map  04:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

LMFAO buddy you think this is a hoax? It was posted on IGN.COM. Again dude, just GOOGLE "halo 3 beta". If you're too lazy/paranoid then that's your fault. Duff man2007 04:41, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * IGN gets hoaxes, too. Try to stay civil, why don't you-- $U IT  04:46, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Like I said, it's all around the internet, this halo 3 thing. NOT just IGN. And no, they only report things that are confirmed. If you saw earlier it WAS on Ebay.

Honestly, after this is all said and done I'll lmao at all you guys for not believing me, and you guys will look pathetic. lmfao Duff man2007 04:50, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's exactly what it is. We don't believe you. Have you not read one single wikilink we provided? There's no point in arguing or trying to explain to you anymore. We'll just have to wait for a block for the death threats, vandalism, and general incivility from you. Spigot  Map  04:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

It needs to be added. The same thing happened with BioShock and that was added. You can't have it both ways. 124.150.116.139 10:34, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

He's right. Add this info, Halo 3 being sold on Ebay IS notable information Shutup999 15:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * See my comments two sections up: is this being reported by the major mainstream media? Is CNN whipped into a frenzy by this? Please actually read our polices on notability, reliable sources and verifiability...this isn't notable as we define notabiity.  AK Radecki Speaketh  15:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Lol, my friend (currently) has the highest bid. It's not under the name Halo 3 so that it isn't taken down, but the seller emailed him pictures of the contents and screens. I'm not sure if this qualifies as notable, though the French leak of Halo 2 is mentioned in Halo 2. James086 Talk &#124; Email 13:21, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well technically unless the disc was stolen, there are no rules against an idividual buyer reselling it. If these are genuine copies, I'm betting some store sold them early because an employee didn't know the difference. If so, the buyer purchased them legally and can do with them what they please providing it doesn't break copywright law. Reselling it on Ebay is perfectly legal. However, I'll say again, until it is confirmed that it is a real copy and not just a scam or something, it is just speculation and should not be added.157.174.221.167 18:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)