Talk:Hamburg Rules

Hamburg Rules
The article on "The Hamburg Rules" needs to be edited because it contains a statement which, while purporting to be of a factual nature, is only an opinion. The statement in question is that "[T]he conventions governing the Hague-Visby Rules should be denounced." The Hague-Visby Rules are set of legal rules established by convention. Whether they should be renounced (or denounced) is a matter of opinion. I therefore sought to edit the article on December 20, 2011, but another person (perhaps the author of the article) undid the edit, claiming that the disputed statement came right out of the Hamburg Rules themselves. This answer is unavailing for two reasons. First, even if the person who undid my edit is correct, the disputed statement is without citation. It is therefore unacceptable; without a citation, the disputed statement appears to be merely the opinion of the author, and this is inappropriate in an encyclopedia. Secondly, if the disputed statement comes right out of the Hamburg Rules, that fact should be noted, along with the fact that the signatories who signed this statement were expressing their opinions as interested parties. The author, to be balanced, should also point out that several major maritime nations --- the United States, Spain, the UK, China, Japan, Germany, Greece, and others --- are NOT signatories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.67.241.251 (talk) 14:35, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking the time to look at the article. I will add a link, but until I do, at the bottom is a link to the rules as a whole, where you can easily go to paragraph 31. I never meant say the hague-visby should be denounced as a general wish. HOwever, the Hamburg rules require it from those who ratify and I will see if I can make the text indicate that even more (you are also free to edit it to thateffect..). The same goes for the other rules of Hamburg of cource: they only hold for those that ratify! L.tak (talk) 14:45, 20 December 2011 (UTC)