Talk:Hamilton (village), New York

What happened to the downtown photo?
A friend of mine and I (who have both grown up in, and still frequently visit, Hamilton, NY) changed the picture of "a typical scene in the Hamilton area" to an actual picture in downtown Hamilton, as opposed to the barn, or as it seems now, a single clock tower. Why was this picture removed? Justin The Claw 04:13, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Major Revision
In the History section I tried to cite to just Hammond and to Willliams, because they are verifiable historians. I used the other source, “History of Hamilton, J. Smith”, only when necessary because it is not a confirmed book (it’s a purported copy on a web site posted by some guy named Ray) and I found that J. Smith copied, without attribution, many times word for word, passages ouHammond’s book written 20 years earlier. Stwiso (talk) 16:28, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Revision re for Lake effect snow
You are right, Lake Ontario should be included. But, so should Lake Erie. Here is the quote:
 * "Snow produced in the lee of Lakes Erie and Ontario is a prominent and very important aspect of New York's climate. As cold air crosses the unfrozen lake waters, it is warmed in the lower layers, picks up moisture, and reaches the land in an unstable condition. Precipitation in the form of snow is released as the airstreams moves inland an over the gradually sloping higher terrain. Heavy snow squalls frequently occur, generating from 1 to 2 feet of snow and occasionally 4 feet or more. Snowfall produced by this "lake-effect" usually extends into the Mohawk Valley and often inland as far as the southern Finger Lakes and nearby southern tier of counties. Counties to the lee of Lake Erie are subject to heavy lake-effect snows in November and December, but as the lake surface gradually freezes by midwinter, these snows become less frequent. Areas near Lake Ontario, especially those to the southeast and east, are exposed to severe snow squalls well into February because the Lake generally retains considerable open water throughout the winter months." http://nysc.eas.cornell.edu/climate_of_ny.html

I am anything but a meteorologist, so if there is reliable authority that limits to just Lake Ontario the causes of the lake effect snow phenomenon in central upstate New York, so be it. Stwiso (talk) 03:19, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

The Village is not a generic village
The legal name of the entity is the "Village of Hamilton". The Town of Hamilton (its legal name) is not the name confusingly given to it given to it by Wikipedia: "Hamilton (town)". There is no such thing as "Hamilton (town)". I do not want to get involved in fixing the "Hamilton (town)" Article. But it is important that the Village of Hamilton's Article make it clear that the cap v Village of Hamilton is being referred to, not that similarly (and confusingly) named Town of Hamilton. I recommend that the Article about the Town of Hamilton carry the title "Town of Hamilton". Stwiso (talk) 04:36, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You're overthinking this. There is no need to capitalize "village" here any more than there is for any of the other 550 villages in the state.  The fact that it has a distinct legal meaning in New York is covered in the "Government" section.  Please re-read the Manual of Style section on Capitalization.  Unless you're using it its full title (e.g. "The Village of Hamilton" as in the lead sentence), there's no need to capitalize every time, any more than one would capitalize "City" for a community that is legally chartered as a city. --Ken Gallager (talk) 12:52, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * "You're overthinking this". I do not think that condescension is appropriate in either sense in which you have used it: directly; and in your implied claim that I have not previously read the Style Manual. The Article was as clear as mud regarding the distinction, under New York law, between a village and a town. It also was unclear as to whether Colgate is in the Village or in just the Town (I obtained a clarification from the Village’s Mayor on this). Indeed, the term "village"  formerly referred to today's Village as a "clustered human settlement", which is vacuously true, but uninformative.   If the Town of Hamilton were named “Hedgehogtopia”, there would be no possibility of confusion because the terms “Hamilton” and “Hedgehogtopia” could because used without recourse to “town” and “village”. But, history has not provided us with any such niceties.  As a former world champion of public speaking has written   “[The] slavish adherence to rules or unquestioning submission to recommendations can create more problems than they were intended to solve”.  http://www.davidbrookstexas.com/resources/writers_rules_for_speakers2/.  There is a distinction between robotic operations and efforts to obtain clarity.  Please see the Wiki Article on the Village of Oklahoma City for an example of robotics triumphing over clarity with respect to which small “c” city is referred to.  It seems apparent to me that you will continue to assert your position.  I would like to escalate this to the supervisory level. Please let me know how to go about that. Stwiso (talk) 17:49, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Please review WP:Dispute resolution, which I just received. I am not familiar with these procedures, so it will take me approximately one week to provide you with my proposal for how we might proceed under the terms of WP:Dispute resolution.  I would like to receive your suggestions in that regard as well, within a reasonable time, according to your convenience. Stwiso (talk) 23:09, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This confirms that you have not responded to my request for cooperation. Stwiso (talk) 14:09, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

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