Talk:Hamilton Fish III

Harlem Hellfighters
Harlem Hellfighters: The 369th Infantry Regiment of the New York National Guard 15 Regiment. An all African American unit, the 369th fought in World War I under the French Flag because the United States refused to have African American soldiers in combat. The 369th compiled an astounding war record and were decorated by the French government. But when they returned home to the United States, they were subjected to the racism of the era, and discovered their service in World War I meant nothing to their fellow Americans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * Please do not comment here on the struck-thru material above: the level of detail is irrelevant to this talk page's article, its use concerns Harlem Hellfighters, and thus discussion belongs at talk:Harlem Hellfighters instead. --Jerzy•t 02:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

oldest living American politician
I removed
 * When Fish celebrated his 102nd birthday in 1990, he was the oldest living American politician.

When stated clearly enuf, it may belong in the article, but for now:
 * 1) "Politician" does not have a precise definition;
 * 2) Once qualifying as a politician, are you one for life, or do you become a retired politician at some point?
 * 3) In practice, there are too many politicians to keep track of which, e.g., town supervisors and school board members (even the non-retired ones, i expect) are still alive, so this is not verifiable unless it is trying to say, e.g., Federal office-holders, or Federal and statewide, or Federal and state (the third taking in state legislators) -- and it can't be verified without clarifying which restricted group is intended. --Jerzy•t 02:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

All-black
I modified the description of the regiment to avoid implying that Fish was black, without bothering to do any research: almost certainly all commissioned officers were white; it might be worth knowing about the non-coms. --Jerzy•t 02:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Trivia
Shared an apartment with the widow of Jose Capablanca -- apparently the two did not speak to each other —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrm2007 (talk • contribs) 09:41, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot (talk) 19:07, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

"Reds"
Is this the Hamilton Fish who was one of the witnesses in Warren Beatty's 1981 movie "Reds"? If so, shouldn't this be mentioned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtyroler (talk • contribs) 20:38, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it was that Hamilton Fish, and I agree that it should be mentioned. Lost Jaguar (talk) 18:04, 17 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Done.
 * Billmckern (talk) 19:44, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Fish and civil rights
The article ought to say something about Fish' lifelong commitment to civil rights for African-Americans, including his championing of allowing African-Americans to serve in combat units in the Second World War. For example: http://articles.latimes.com/1991-01-20/news/mn-630_1_hamilton-fish and http://www.lwfaam.net/ww2/

I believe this would bring a better balance to the article. --Yaush (talk) 04:00, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Done.
 * Billmckern (talk) 20:22, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Wife Lydia Died
I was looking at the Poughkeepsie Journal and his 4th wife, Lydia died this past week - someone my want to edit this - here is the reference - http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/poughkeepsiejournal/obituary.aspx?pid=173840110 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.181.17.194 (talk) 01:49, 20 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Done.
 * Billmckern (talk) 19:45, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

To add to article
To add to this article: the fact that, in 1938, Fish spoke at a German Day rally at Madison Square Garden from a stage decorated with swastikas. 204.11.189.94 (talk) 12:25, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Coverage in Ultra podcast
To consider adding to this article: Hamilton Fish's pro-Nazi efforts are discussed in Episode 5, 7, and 8 of Rachel Maddow's podccast Ultra (2022).

Links:


 * https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-podcast/rachel-maddow-presents-ultra/episode-5-shut-it-down-n1300315
 * https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-podcast/rachel-maddow-presents-ultra/episode-7-rinse-repeat-n1300745
 * https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-podcast/rachel-maddow-presents-ultra/episode-8-ultra-vires-n1300884

204.11.189.94 (talk) 12:32, 3 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @204.11.189.94 Agreed. Some of this is mentioned in the article, but as currently written it buries the "minor detail" that he was a Nazi agent while serving in Congress. Pstemari (talk) 07:18, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Specifics? References?
"During his tenure in Congress, accusations of collusion with Nazis came to light. These accusations were later confirmed by the discovery of Nazi documents seized after the end of World War II. Later, his ties to George Sylvester Viereck, a top Nazi spy working in the US to spread pro-Hitler and anti-Semitic propaganda, were confirmed by the discovery of correspondence between Viereck and US Senator Ernest Lundeen."

This needs elaboration in the main article. Lundeen and his correspondence is neither mentioned nor referenced in the main body of the article and Fish is only related to Viereck in the actions of his chief of staff. The latter related to an earlier statement about German support for isolationist Republicans. A passing remark about Fish and other isolationists aping German talking points could be fleshed out better. More evidence is needed to effectively support the specific claim of collusion, so the Nazi documents should be discussed and not just mentioned in passing. 69.117.197.29 (talk) 08:45, 10 July 2023 (UTC)