Talk:Hammer throw

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I don't know much about this sport, but according to the article, the high point of the circle is where you want to throw the hammer, and the low point is opposite. It later says that the hammer is released at the "front" of the circle, but wouldn't that make it fly sideways and parallel to the ground rather than forwards and up into the air? 136.176.8.18 00:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that the wording in this article is, shall we say, unconvincing. I think rewriting it, and providing references, would help a lot.  Cheers, Doctormatt 01:36, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Removal of external links
The external links are about athletics in general, not about hammer throw in particular. They were added by the anon user 195.3.113.7, whose only recent edits have been to add an identical inappropriate "external links" section to Long jump, Hammer throw, and 100 metres hurdles. The anon user 193.81.210.11 also added the same, identical, external links section to many other articles about individual sports. Even if some of these sites (in particular, the IAAF) contain some material somewhere applicable to the individual sports, it's not appropriate to link the main page of a site about all sports from the individual articles for each individual sport - the link should be to specific material on the site - see External_links item 14. 129.97.79.144 16:01, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by ask more politely? You are removing all external links without any significant explanation. They cannot all be spam.  The ones that might be considered spam can be directed to the relevent page.  These are useful links in my opinion. Please explain why you think each link is spam with specific reason rather than just deleting everything. David D. (Talk) 16:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Your objection to the IAAF link makes little sense, it's the governing body of the sport. How can that be considered SPAM? Note also I'm not the only one reverting your deletions. This needs to be discussed with input from multiple authors who edit the athletics related pages. David D. (Talk) 16:14, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * This is the last explanation I will give you.


 * * http://www.iaaf.org/ is spam in the context of the article on hammer throw because it is about athletics in general, not about hammer throw, and was added indiscriminately to many articles.


 * * http://www.athletix.org/statistics/stats.html is spam in the context of the article on hammer throw because it is about athletics in general, not about hammer throw, and was added indiscriminately to many articles.


 * * http://www.world-masters-athletics.org/ is spam in the context of the article on hammer throw because it is about athletics in general, not about hammer throw, and was added indiscriminately to many articles.


 * * http://www.mastersathletics.net is spam in the context of the article on hammer throw because it is about athletics in general, not about hammer throw, and was added indiscriminately to many articles.


 * * http://www.alltime-athletics.com is spam in the context of the article on hammer throw because it is about athletics in general, not about hammer throw, and was added indiscriminately to many articles.


 * 129.97.79.144 16:23, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The last explanation? This sounds like you are not willing to discuss this at all and have already acted as judge and jury. What about the other users that keep reverting you? It seems there are several people that disagree with your blanket deletion of the external links. David D. (Talk) 16:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * You owe me an apology. 129.97.79.144 16:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Why? You refuse to discuss the issue? And before you judge me as being some supporter of SPAM see this recent edit. David D. (Talk) 16:33, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Lysenko 2007 World Record
The IAAF has declared that it will no longer acknowledge the 2007 WR of Lysenko. I would have removed the mention of this recored, but I do not know for sure if her record of 2006 will be kept as the official WR. Anybody any idea? 62.203.154.39 (talk) 18:47, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Hammer or Hammer?
According to the article, the hammer throw is called that because they used to use actual hammers. However, ball-and-chain weapons have always been called hammers, as in 'meteor hammer.' Is that just a coincidence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.11.36.169 (talk) 18:07, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes I believe so. The earlier Scottish style used, and still does use, a rigid shaf. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.62.23 (talk) 09:27, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

What is a hammer?
Following on from the previous comment... I came to this article trying to find out what a hammer consists of. Is it a metal ball on a chain? A metal ball on a stick with a handle? It must be specified somewhere in athletics competition rules. Currently all we're told is the weight and physical dimensions...

"The men's hammer weighs 16 pounds (7.257 kg) and measures 3 feet 11 3⁄4 inches (121.5 cm) in length and the women's hammer weighs 8.82 lb (4 kg) and 3 feet 11 inches (119.5 cm) in length"

82.71.0.17 (talk) 10:15, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Weapons ban of the late 13th century
In the opening paragraph, the article states: ″the origin of the hammer throw is tied to a prohibition by King Edward I of England against Scotsmen possessing weapons during the Wars of Scottish Independence in the late 13th and early 14th centuries.″

Can someone please provide a citation for this statement?

Additionally, I would be very interested to read about whatever related material users can provide for weapons bans of this nature, and how the local populations reacted to the prohibition. I'm aware of most modern bans of the last 50 years or so, but I have very little understanding of the history of ancient bans, and what causes those bans made. Anything on the subject would be very helpful. Sawta (talk) 20:04, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Ivan Tsikhan
"Ivan Tsikhan of Belarus also threw 86.73 on 3 July 2005 in Brest, but this was subsequent to drugs disqualification." Does this mean that he had been disqualified prior to the throw? If so, why was he allowed to compete? Or does this mean that his throw was invalidated because he tested positive for drugs at this event? --Khajidha (talk) 23:35, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * His doping sample, taken in 2004 was found positive on a retest in 2012, though the http://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/19116807|news report] did not specify what. He was retroactively disqualified back to 2004, which invalidated 2005 results as well. Trackinfo (talk) 23:51, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I think I've rephrased it to better explain the situation. Please modify if you feel it is needed.--Khajidha (talk) 14:57, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Description of the hammer
This article needs a description of the actual hammer used for the throw. --Khajidha (talk) 14:58, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I have added a simple description. Unless you were already familiar with this event, no one would call this piece of equipment a hammer and would be thoroughly confused by pictures purporting to be of hammer throwing with no apparent hammers in them. --Khajidha (talk) 13:26, 5 December 2016 (UTC)