Talk:Hammersmith nude murders/Archive 1

Killing method
Jack The Stripper killed his victims but thrusting his penis deep into their throats, blocking their airways and killing them slowly.


 * I am beginning to doubt the authenticity of this article... Please provide a reference source, or I'll have to mark this as dubious... Brother Dysk 11:35, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)


 * Seems to be at least vaguely legit, though the cock-suffocation isn't substantiated anywhere I can see. (And obfuscating the link as "organ" is bloody ridiculous.) And even from a practical viewpoint, you'd think he would be able to do this perhaps once before having his manful tallywhacker chewed off. grendel|khan 21:31, 2005 May 4 (UTC)


 * This has been hypothesized as the Stripper's means of killing his victims, although unproven. Much of this argument comes from the fact that the victim's front teeth were missing and that they suffocated.  However, no one has conclusively proven that this is how the Stripper killed his victims.

His apparent modus operandi was to suffocate them with his penis as they fellated him. eeeeeh... This must be somekind of joke, right? How do one acheive that technically? I really need a source on that sentence if i'm not going to delete it.... --Konstantin 22:26, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Go ahead and delete it if you feel like it, but I recall seeing it mentioned in the Book of Lists. Or The Book of Lists II. But still - delete it if it pisses you off. --Wareq 04:54, 21 June 2005 (UTC)


 * Look at the crimelibrary.com link. It says that victims were strangled with a ligature, possibly made of their clothing. And the following quote is quite relevant:


 * "One senior detective, Detective Superintendent William Baldock, joined the investigative team after Barthelemy's body was discovered, and he propounded the startling theory that the women might have been choked to death during the act of fellatio. Yet you have to ask — if that were the case, why wouldn't the women have bitten their killer on the very sensitive part of his anatomy with which he was choking them? Even if they had lost a couple of teeth, this would surely still have been possible.


 * Author David Seabrook, who was granted access to closed police files on the case while researching his recent book, Jack Of Jumps, dismisses the fellatio theory as "a fairytale," borne of ignorance about such taboo sexual practices in the 1960s. Yet it perhaps reflects the state of "clutching at straws" to which investigating officers had been reduced." Slavedriver 13:54, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

How many victims?
First it is stated as six, then five or seven, then another two names are added later, and ANOTHER two names ... ??? How many did he kill? It's confusing. This article should be flagged as needing to be cleaned up. 61.17.202.32 22:09, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Details of the two questionable victims
This is what the end of the Victims' section of the article read: "Their deaths were dismissed by the police as unfortunate because they were well known to the police and had been jailed several times for poncing and theft." I am guessing this is a really poor joke by someone? I deleted this line of the text, and unless the 'several arrests' bit is substantiated by someone in a serious way, think it should left as it is now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.79.103 (talk) 22:28, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Serial Killers have often been credited with unrelated murders. Jack the ripper is credited with 5 by some and 6 by others. I believe Peter Sutcliffe (aka The Yorkshire Ripper) was charged (but not convicted) with one murder he didn't commit, but there are other murders and attacks which the victims families believe he committed but the Police have refused to accept this. One theory about this denial is that these murders and attacks pre-dated the crimes for which he was charged, and if the Police had linked these crimes also, they would have been even more embarrassed about their handling of the case. In case this theory might seem far-fetched, it should be remembered the one of the Police Forces involved was South Yorkshire, who were later proved to have covered up the Police incompetence in the Hillsborough Tragedy 80.111.155.138 (talk) 21:28, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Internal links
The link in the sidebar to finnish version of this article directs to a completley different case (Jack the Ripper, not Stripper)

Jack The Ripper and the Jack Stripper? Same killers?
"John Henaghan″

I believe that Jack the Stripper and Jack the Ripper are the same serial killers but it's a theory of mine,

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.188.102.28 (talk) 07:29, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ridiculous - even in the highly unlikely event that Jack the Ripper was a teenager when he committed the 1888 murders and he had lived until 1964, he would have been a nonagenarian at the time of the latter series of murders. Jim Michael (talk) 23:38, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

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Suspects
I have amended the section about suspects to remove the name of a former police officer. The name (although using the wrong forename) had been added in 2012. I corrected the forename yesterday, but after finishing the most recent (2016) book on the case this morning, it occurred to me that the individual might still be alive and therefore subject to the concerns of WP:BLP. Mindful of eg McAlpine v Bercow I have removed the name, and would suggest other editors consider very carefully before reinserting it. Keri (talk) 10:36, 5 January 2017 (UTC)