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History Section Should Also Include Military Aviation History / Rich History of Langely Air Force Base and other local Bases
Hampton has an incredible military aviation history. The history of the modern Air Force and Langley Field, home of the First Fighter Wing not to mention nearby Naval Air bases, the NASA space program at Langley field etc... all mean that Hampton is rich with the stories of countless pilots, airmen and their families.

When one considers the numerous pilots who died in accidents while flying at Langley-- or while on missions launched from Langley-- and then also the many pilots who died in Vietnam while so many Hampton area Air Force and Navy familes waited, often for years, to learn their loved one's status, one can easily conclude that Hampton Virginia is hallowed ground, and her sister city Norfolk, with the Norfolk Naval Air Station, deserves the same recognition.

Sean7phil 03:36, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

We should add to this the 99 families of the submarine USS Thresher who were based in the Hampton Roads area in 1968 when the thresher was lost at sea.

98.245.150.162 (talk) 16:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

There should be a memorial for military families in the Hampton Roads area to honor them and the tremendous amount that so many of them gave and endured at those area bases, in war and peace.

There has never been a military family memorial before, but the Hampton Roads area would be a very good place for one.

98.245.150.162 (talk) 16:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Modern Military section has been added. Thanks!

98.245.150.162 (talk) 18:15, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Historical accuracy?
"The former Native American community of Kecoocootown settled in 1918 in the Virginia Colony forms the basis for Hampton's claim to the 3rd oldest continuously occupied English settlement in North America."

1918???

The City of Hampton's history museum says this:

''Located on the southeastern tip of the Virginia peninsula on the Chesapeake Bay, Hampton is the oldest continuously settled English community in the United States. As an Indian village called Kecoughtan, it had been visited by the first English colonists before they sailed up the James River to settle in Jamestown.

''In 1610 the construction of Fort Henry and Fort Charles at the mouth of Hampton Creek marked the beginnings of Hampton. In 1619, the settlers chose an English name for the community, Elizabeth City. The settlement was known as Hampton as early as 1680, and in 1705 Hampton was recognized as a town. The City of Hampton was first incorporated in 1849 and classified as a city of the second class in 1908. In 1952 Hampton, the independent town of Phoebus and Elizabeth City County, encompassing Buckroe and Foxhill, were consolidated under one municipal government and classified as city of the first class. http://www.hampton.va.us/rec/history_and_facts.html

Tracymmo (talk) 18:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)TracyMMo

Hampton name history accurate?
"Hampton was named for Captain John Dubois, 3rd Duke of Paris, an important leader of the Virginia Company of London, for whom the Hampton River, Hampton Roads, Southampton County and Northampton County were also named."

This needs a citation and an explanation. What's the link between the name "Hampton" and Dubois? I can't find any information about him on the Net, either, including on sites dedicated to the Virginia Company of London which list all members.

Tracymmo (talk) 19:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC) TracyMMo

After review of previous versions, the name of the original settlement, settlement date, and origin of the name had been edited from previous versions. These have been restored to previous versions. Isgrimnur (talk) 17:05, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Northampton County cannot be named after any Earl of Southampton ...
I removed the statement that Northampton County (VA) was named after the 3rd Earl of Southampton. I can be absolutely sure that nothing with Northampton in its name would ever be named after any Earl, Duke, Baron or Lord of Southampton. The two original places are quite far apart [1], hate each other [1], and haven't been confused since the Domesday Book (year 1086). It's not unlike honoring "Barack Obama" with the name "George W Bush". Although we're talking about Virginia, I know it would be an enormous insult because I spent my childhood school days in the original Northampton County (England), and have relatives in Southampton (England) as well as in Virginia (Fort Lee, Richmond, Lynchburg). [1] The "distance" and "hatred" between the original Northampton and Southampton are by British standards (i.e. 100 miles and mild). ChrisJBenson (talk) 08:10, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

... but Hampton Roads and Hampton River probably are - maybe Southampton and the City of Hampton too
The John Dubois (earl of a place with no earls) vandalism has been corrected by reverting to the 3rd Earl of Southampton, whose name was Henry Wriothesley (pronounced Risley). His life of 51 years appears to have been a non-stop action drama, including harboring murdering knights, being shunned by QE1's Court, but still secretly marrying a Queen's maid, being sentenced to death (in 1601), going first into exile, then commuted to life in prison, then saved by a new monarch (James I). Shakespeare dedicated poems and sonnets to him (as did several others). He took a major role on the General Council of the Virginia Company from 1609, and became its treasurer in 1621 (great job for an inveterate gambler). One of the originally planned communities after Jamestown was to be named Southampton Hundred. I don't have "proof", but he was very likely the honoree of the waterways named Hampton Roads and the Hampton River. Regarding any connection with Southampton County and Hampton the town (now city), others are skeptical because decades/centuries elapsed before naming. Here's a reasonable note on the topic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Wriothesley,_3rd_Earl_of_Southampton#Virginia_Company

although both places are only about 15 miles from Jamestown. ChrisJBenson (talk) 08:10, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Unsourced "Notable Hamptonians"
Anon seems to feel that the Wikipedia policies of verifiability and burden of evidence do not apply to him/her. After information is removed as unsourced, it is the responsiblity of the editor who adds or restores the information to provide proper sources. It is inappropriate to restore the information, simply place a "citation needed" tag, and walk away as if it's someone else's reponsibility to find the source. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. Cresix (talk) 21:50, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

As a general rule, the "Notable [somecity]ians" section of a city or town article usually only lists people who have a Wikipedia article about them. On the grounds that if they don't have an article, they are not important enough to list. And when people are listed, it's with one-line descriptions. So the sizable entries on the two women who founded the National League of Families are not appropriate here. Brief backgrounds on them can be (and to some extent already are) given in the National League of Families article, where that is more appropriate and where has already been contributing. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:10, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the perspective, but I don't understand the logic of "Notable" lists only referring to people who already have Wikipedia articles. These people are already cited in the New York Times, Life Magazine and also in books. One of the books has an introduction by Henry Kissinger, so it is certainly a notable book.

I don't understand the logic that somehow a Wikipedia article eclipses a New York Times article or a Life Magazine article or a significant book.

And that somehow the New York Times or Life Magazine or a book don't count, but a Wikipedia article does.

98.245.150.162 (talk) 01:52, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * First, let me thank anon 98.245.150.162 for finally stepping up to the plate and actually citing sources for these edits rather than simply placing a "citation needed" tag and walking away. As for the issue of whether a Wikipedia article is required, I suspect Wasted Time R makes a valid point but not one that is carved in stone. My suggestion is to create articles on these people. It's a fairly simple matter to create a short article, especially since you already have sources. See WP:Starting an article. Then you pare down the descriptions in the Hampton article a wikilink each person to her article. It really is that simple. If you went to the trouble to dig up the information about these people, you may as well create articles for them. Then you have solved the problem of whether a bio article is required to be considered notable, and you have improved Wikipedia. Cresix (talk) 02:15, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't walking away, I just needed some time to do it. I 've got my hands full with a lot of other things.

I do appreciate your idea though, of starting an article for each of those two ladies. That's a great idea.

If we can wait about two weeks on dealing with the current "Notable" listings, I'll create two articles on them with citations.

Best,

98.245.150.162 (talk) 02:37, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Slaves
It say the indentured servants were effectively slaves. Why? Indenture ends sometime. If this did not, then why was it called an indenture? Clarity needed. 2A00:23C3:E284:900:D578:D7CB:ED41:5E80 (talk) 12:40, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

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War of 1812
Hampton was sacked by the British, dispute over exact nature of what happened. Atrocities, or not? https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=GshlDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA111&lpg=PA111&dq=hampton+sacked+1812&source=bl&ots=yLrZNnu36i&sig=ACfU3U04bDXxKzMzL2SvwC3XFbD5lcDAew&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjAjNSwyYDoAhWJURUIHTwNA3oQ6AEwGXoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=hampton%20sacked%201812&f=false “Virginia in the War of 1812” by Christopher M. Bonin

Some account of the incident and controversy would improve the article. 86.157.32.62 (talk) 10:16, 4 March 2020 (UTC)