Talk:Hampton Wick

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Have made a couple of edits (3) which need commenting:

a) am pretty sure that HW is south of the river not north as the article stated; b) can't see the relevance of the following statement it also started Madeline Smith - apart from the syntax being wonky - related to the Two Ronnies; and c) If this can be referenced, back it goes - otherwise, out it stays: Hampton Wick is also rhyming slang for prick, most often abbreviated to "Hampton" but also abbreviated to "Wick" (as in, "that gets on my wick"). --Technopat (talk) 01:30, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Hampton Wick is, indeed, on the North of the Thames. A quick look at a map of London will confirm that assertion, and used to be in the County of Middlesex - if it weren't for the bizarre restructuring of the county borders and postal districts of Greater London. I still think that Hampton Wick as Cockney rhyming slang is significant and should be incorporated into this entry.

I have referenced the Two Ronnies sketch. It consisted of several episodes as part of their main show starting from 1971, according to imdb, and also in the Carry On films.

-- Skeptic sid (talk) 23:46, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Hampton Wick is indeed cockney rhyming slang for prick see eg. http://www.amazon.com/Oxford-Dictionary-Rhyming-Paperback-Reference/dp/0198607512 or The Slanguage of Sex (1985) by Brigid McConville & John Shearlaw. 81.23.54.142 (talk) 19:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Normansfield Hospital
I have removed the following text from the article: Dr Langdon Down, who gave his name to Down Syndrome, set up his own private home for the "mentally subnormal" at Normansfield, in 1868. The hospital is now closed but the building still against (though mostly derelict) and boast a grade II* listed entertainment hall built in 1879. It is now the home of the Langdon Down Centre.

Apart from the fact that there are words missing which make it unclear, I'm pretty sure that Normansfield is actually in Teddington, not Hampton Wick, albeit by a matter of a few yards. A quick google gives Teddington, but as boundaries change and I no longer live in the area, maybe someone else can confirm this and return the text to the article if necessary (filling in the gap.) Cheers!--Technopat (talk) 09:09, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Wolsey's house?
The article makes a remarkable claim about a (conveniently?) unspecified house on the say-so of somebody who lived in that house, as reproduced in a little news article by somebody who's not obviously an expert in sixteenth-century English history.

Owners of houses love to retail stories of the age and grand associations of their houses. Many are enthusiastically taken up by subsequent owners. Some are even true. However, something calling itself an encyclopedia shouldn't take this stuff seriously.

If there's convincing evidence for a claim such as this, the claim will appear in a disinterested, expert source. -- Hoary (talk) 23:45, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Excellent point. Documentation at Richmond Local Studies suggests that "Wolsey's" house was built in 1560, a sufficient numbers of years after he died to make it imporbable that he lived there at all let alone whilst Hampton court was being built. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.2.12.173 (talk) 11:58, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

There are a couple of issues with this. The 1939 Middlesex County Council Jubilee book lists the only building of interest as Wolsey's cottage. But it is too minor to make it into the buildings of EnglandL Middlesex. It doesn't state necessarily though that he lived there. The second point is that Hampton Wick & Hampton Court were all simply Hampton at the time.90.198.254.33 (talk) 17:55, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Ronnies
We're told:


 * Hampton Wick was also a spoof drama by The Two Ronnies in the first series they did together.

What does this (unsourced) assertion mean? -- Hoary (talk) 00:22, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Wick, dick, etc
At 11:54, 31 January 2010 User:Saga City Undid revision 341073420 by 87.113.106.151 (talk) reinstated what residents may not wish to be true but, nonetheless, is a fact.

What's reinstated reads:


 * In Cockney rhyming slang 'Hampton Wick' means 'dick', as in the Ian Dury and the Blockheads song Blackmail Man.

and appears under the bold title "Trivia".

Why does an encyclopedia article need a trivia section? -- Hoary (talk) 16:18, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree it doesn't (or shouldn't,) so have moved that item (and trimmed) for the reasons given. It's surprising to me that Cockneys have any connection with such a select area as Hampton Wick. But then, perhaps, no more surprising than any connection with the "Berkshire Hunt", which in it's shortend form of "berk", has passed into the common vernacular. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:41, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Quite aside from their significance if correct, I wonder about the accuracy of these claimed etymologies. -- Hoary (talk) 23:45, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Martinevans123 (talk) 00:25, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Sourced to a dictionary of slang and an unspecified dictionary from Chambers. Not so impressive. Plus: In both Berkely [sic] and Berkshire, berk is pronounced like bark (IPA: /bɑː(ɹ)k/). In other cases such as Cockney and American English pronunciaton [sic], it rhymes with work. The second sentence seems to imply that the first is about some general British English from which Cockney has been separated. That's an odd concept. If it's instead about RP, /(ɹ)/ is unnecessary/wrong as RP is non-rhotic. That aside, I don't understand what it says about the Cockney pronunciation of Berkely/Berkshire. (Inexpertly, I think this is similar to RP pronunciation.) All in all this is very confused and reminds me why I rarely if ever bother to look in the "Wiktionary", well intentioned though its creators are. The (monstrously big) OED for me. -- Hoary (talk) 00:41, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


 * so how about this ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 20.133.0.13 (talk) 10:29, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Hoary - yes, that etymology/ pronunciation seems anomalous. But aren't we meant to rely on the Wikitionary as WP:RS? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:07, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Putting aside the question of what we're supposed to do -- no, I certainly wouldn't. Would you? -- Hoary (talk) 13:53, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


 * It's always seemed to me to be rather incestuous, but I think it may be policy of some kind. I'd certainly rely more on OED, in any of its forms, except that I wouldn't expect to see any slang, Cockney rhyming or otherwise, in an OED. Also see Berkeley Hunt, although it relies on the same Jonathon Green ref. I am genuinely surprised that Cockneys ever conected with the county of Berksire, let alone with rural Gloucestershire. Maybe it's all just an urban myth? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:25, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I've never heard that WP is supposed to rely in any way on Wiktionary, and find such a policy or guideline most improbable, in that Wiktionary is a kind of wiki and wikis are ruled out as reliable sources. &para; Whether or not Wiktionary cites him accurately, Green is a prolific and respected lexicographer. I'm sure that the examples he supplies are accurate. But the OED is very circumspect about the etymologies of words that haven't entered English in any of the commonest ways, and I think rightly so. Time permitting, I'll look in the OED soon. (But feel free to beat me to it.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:03, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Can find nothing in The Shorter. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:23, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Also Eric Partridge - whom I believe to be authoritative. I have a 1972 copy of The Penguin Dictionary of Historical Slang and it is in there. Will add as a citation. Saga City (talk) 10:35, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

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