Talk:Hamurabi (video game)

Additional material
On the lines of its influence, I think it may be worth mentioning the genre of educational sustainable environment games that have evolved from this. I know I've played 2 of them but I unfortunately can't remember the names for them. One was for the Acorn platform and one was a game made by the German government IIRC. Both have you as a supervisor for some island and you're in charge of choosing how much land you use for development (and whether the level is sustainable or not). Your decisions would affect how well the island does from year to year and you receive reports on its progress. --Rambutaan 03:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Could smb find original FOCAL code of the game and the book "Looking at History through Mathematics" (1968) by N. Rashevsky? I'm looking for the basic model of the game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.45.133.194 (talk) 07:54, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Credit
The article lists Doug Dyment as the creator of the game and cites that Richard Merrill if often inaccurately attributed to the creation of the game. There is no citation or reference I can find for Doug Dynment as the creator. It's also not clear to me if Doug Dyment is being noted as the creator of The Sumer Game or this one? --Bsimser (talk) 19:37, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I wrote Doug a letter last year or so and he answered: "I created the program as a demonstration of what could be done in a limited-memory (4K!) PDP-8, using the FOCAL interpreter. At the time I wrote the game, I was in charge of software for the Canadian arm of DEC, based in Carleton Place (near Ottawa, Canada)." — Preceding unsigned comment added 10:08, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Implementations
Is it okay to just add new implementations like this one for the Android?

http://www.androidpit.com/en/android/market/apps/app/com.charlesmerriam.hammurabi/Hammurabi — Preceding unsigned comment added by SteveClement (talk • contribs) 04:18, 8 February 2011 (UTC)


 * So that would mean we start adding every implementation of Hamurabi there is? Or only notable ones? What makes one worthy of inclusion so this doesn't become a list. There are half a dozen Android examples, almost as many on iOS and a few on other platforms. --Bsimser (talk) 04:00, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


 * A list of architectures for which there is no implementation would be useful, so someone could port it

Eight-character limit
The thing about eight-character limit seems to have been in the article from the beginning (in 2006), but is there any real evidence it just wasn't a mispelling [sic]? In Ahl's book, the spelling "Hamurabi" is also included in the game texts, which are not limited by any file system limitations. And in any case, a written book does not have a file system. At least [this annotated version] of the book states it was just a misspelling. Elmo Allen (talk) 01:50, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

1966 Sumerian Game?
This article makes reference to a 1966 game called "The Sumerian Game," as the inspiration for Dyment's 1968 "The Sumer Game." The relevant text as it appears today is

The Sumer Game was possibly inspired by the 1966 The Sumerian Game, a much more in-depth text-based economic simulation intended for children. I have tried to find external reference to this "Sumerian Game" but I have been unable to do so. Most external articles begin their history with Dyment's 1968 title.

Will the original author, or another expert help source this claim? Thanks, --Semitones (talk) 13:06, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Leads do not need citations, as they are summaries of the rest of the article. That sentence is from: " In 1966, IBM employee William McKay developed a business simulation called The Sumerian Game for the Board of Cooperative Educational Services in Northern Westchester County, New York. It is not known whether The Sumer Game was inspired by the prior Sumerian game, which was a much more in-depth text-based economic simulation intended for children, developed in consultation with ancient Middle East history experts.[7]", [7] being "Wing, Richard L. (1966). "Two Computer-Based Economics Games for Sixth Graders". American Behavioral Scientist. 10 (3): 31–35. ISSN 0002-7642." That's findable on google books somewhere, if I remember right. The journal article does not link the two games together; it's just suspicious that in an era that might see a dozen games released to the public total in a year, that there were two "Sumer" simulation games released within 2 years of each other completely coincidentally. That said, "possibly inspired" is maybe a bit too strong of an implacation, so I'm definitely open to other wording. -- Pres N  13:22, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The link between the games is real, but unfortunately not currently confirmed in any source. Devin Monnens interviewed Dymet for an unpublished paper, who said he created Hamurabi after learning of the Sumer Game at a conference.  He did not see the game himself, but recreated it based on a description.   Since the paper in question is not generally available, we have to keep the connection vague here for now. Indrian (talk) 14:57, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Here is a source for the above game. It appears it was designed by a woman, who is then likely to be the first woman video game designer. http://www.acriticalhit.com/sumerian-game-most-important-video-game-youve-never-heard/
 * --Lou Crazy (talk) 09:20, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yep, someone sent that to me in Discord this morning; I've now updated this article with the information, and will hopefully be creating a Sumerian Game article soon. -- Pres N  16:01, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 1 December 2017

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The result of the move request was: moved. Andrewa (talk) 03:36, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Hamurabi → Hamurabi (video game) – This strikes me as an easy typo for someone searching for Hammurabi to make, considering the second "m" is silent. Going further than just a hatnote here, I think that this should be a redirect to Hammurabi and have a hatnote located at that article instead, given the importance of the historical king (and that this game is based off of him). ZXCVBNM (TALK) 12:46, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Support not a mistake, a common alternative spelling of King Hammurabi in English see books In ictu oculi (talk) 16:20, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Mild Support - Usually redirects don't get precedent over actual things named by that title, but given that even the game itself misspells Hammurabi to have 1 m in the text and given that the person is way more notable than this video game, I'm slightly in favor of moving it. -- Pres N  17:29, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Support; Romanisation of such names is not fixed in stone, and Hamurabi is actually attested for Hammurabi.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ &gt;ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ&lt;  12:14, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Support precisely per nom. bd2412  T 03:07, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Support move per all above.  ONR  (talk) 19:01, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak Support; it's just plausible enough as an alternate spelling for WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The link on the disambiguation page Hammurabi (disambiguation) should be enough, I don't support a separate hatnote for this game. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 06:50, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Support. And either turn Hamurabi into a dabpage or redirect to Hammurabi as primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:35, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


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CZAR variant of hamurabi
I recall playing a variant of this game called "CZAR" on the time shared HP2000 minicomputer at DePaul University in the middle 1970s. The game play appears to have been very similar to Hamurabi. I can't find any references to czar on the web. Please respond if you encountered this version, know where to find source code, etc. Thanks. Michaelaoash (talk) 13:32, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Video game!? Really!?
Text-based games are not video games. The correct classification should be Computer Game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.161.192 (talk) 23:19, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * While the definition of "video game" is not 100% settled in the literature, plenty of definitions incorporate a broad range of electronic games, including text games. It has not been about whether there are graphics or a video signal for a long time. Indrian (talk) 23:25, 29 March 2021 (UTC)