Talk:Hand-in-waistcoat

Buzz Aldrin on the Moon
Photographed by Neil Armstrong: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kool-user-name (talk • contribs) 13:13, 17 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Because it's a Freemason symbol. 79.106.203.62 (talk) 23:48, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

On the Spot (2011 TV series) and hand in the waistcoat
The On the Spot (2011 TV series) had a section on why many portraits used the hand in the waistcoat to save money because hands, arms, ans legs cost extra to paint. Thus the term "it will cost you an arm and a leg" was a painters term and the real reason for hiding hands in portraits.Septagram (talk) 06:26, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Debunked by Snopes - http://www.snopes.com/language/phrases/lesson.asp Londonclanger (talk) 11:02, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

The hidden hand as a Masonic symbol
See https://www.metabunk.org/can-someone-please-debunk-the-masonic-hidden-hand-sign.t1278/ -- &oelig; &trade; 04:45, 8 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Indeed, afaik this is a symbol of the Masonic lodge of York. I've seen Kim Jong-un walking with a hand-in-waistcoat position too. It is suspicious that it's nowhere mentioned in the article. 212.186.15.63 (talk) 15:48, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, everyone knows this is a Freemason symbol, not a "genteel" one! 79.106.203.62 (talk) 23:49, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The link to Freemasonry should at least be mentioned in the article. PDF page 9 (numbered 87) could prove to be a good source: https://www.bu.edu/arion/files/2014/03/Gershman-web-version.pdf 136.169.55.159 (talk) 19:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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Chiton or Toga?
Aeschines, according to the source cites, speaks of a toga, not a chiton. Unlike the chiton, the toga is a cumbersome garment so that the hand-in-waistcoat gesture makes sense for it. Source should be checked, I suspect that there is a misunderstanding or poor summary of the ancient Greco-Roman literature on this subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:20:704C:140A:D0AA:EAFF:FE77:5570 (talk) 14:29, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The toga was a Roman clothing. It was not yet existent in Aeschines' times, and if it existed, he would not have worn it, because he was a Greek. 2003:ED:B743:900:3B:30A2:8436:C8BB (talk) 18:55, 23 November 2023 (UTC)