Talk:Handbrake turn

Steer then Brake
"The use of the handbrake locks the rear wheels, thus breaking the friction between the tyres and the road surface. At this point, a steering input will spin the car in the direction steered. With practice, the car can be placed accurately. The technique is used in some forms of motorsport, for example rallying."

The above statement is inaccurate. First you add steering input, then you lock the rear wheels. Try it on snow.

Also it does not have to be used to spin a car. It can be used as the name implies to tighten up a turn.


 * It's not always the case that steering input needs to be there first. Often in movies where there is stunt driving you will see the wheels locked up long before the steering is done, presumably to position the car very precisely as the movie requires. More speed is needed of course. In practice both steering and handbrake are applied more or less simultaneously. Also, someone added that this is synonymous with powerslide. I don't think that's the case either - a powerslide is achieved by spinning the wheels with the engine. Graham 19:05, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Poor redirect
A handbrake turn and a powerslide are two completely different techniques.
 * Agreed.

Same
Picky, picky, picky, OK they are both the same thing except the handbrake turn uses the rear wheels going slower than the front to break inertia up upsetting the adhesion between the tires and the road surface whearas the Bootleg turn, may use power to break inertia by making the rear wheels go faster than the front wheels making the turn. Both cornering techniques usually come off of the apex with the power on. May a more eloquent writer than I attempt the merge.

We also use the technique losing a pursuer in Street racing GT

The bootleg turn relies on the engine of a RWD to lock the wheels by shifting in first at high speed. The bootleg turn is also known as a shift-lock drift. The powerslide uses wheelspin to break traction and is much easier done on a manual transmission vehicle by revving the engine and slipping the clutch. Modern automatic gearboxes have shock dampers that prevent the wheelspin no matter how much throttle you apply. Hence, unless you're driving a car designed specifically for racing, it's very hard if not impossible to perform a powerslide on an automatic. Lasombra bg (talk) 17:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Revision
The handbrake  turn is a driving technique used to deliberately slide a car sideways, either for the purpose of negotiating a very tight bend quickly, or for turning around, well within the vehicle’s own turning circle using the emergency brake.

The bootleg  turn may use power instead of/or with the brake to set up the car. The driver starts by using a combination of steering input, power. And or breaking, to transfer weight to the outside tires, thus upsetting the adhesion between the tires and the road surface, causing the car to assume extreme yaw angles. With practice, the car can be placed accurately by releasing the brake and accelerating the vehicle coming off of the apex.

The technique is used in some forms of, etc. etc. GT

Comments on the revision
The emergency brake does not have to be a hand brake. A foot emergency break acting on the rear wheels will work just fine. Whether the breaks are on or off, before the turn maneuver is started is immaterial. The turn starts when you make the yaw angle start to change. You can combine breaking, steering and power anyway you want, as long as you get that car sideways. Almost always you are on the power before the apex, unless you are sliding sideways into a stop. GT

handbrake skid
Over at front-wheel drive there is some discussions about a technique we may call "handbrake skid". It's performed somewhat like a handbrake turn, but the execution is more simmilar to left-foot braking. It's described (as well as trailing-throttle oversteer) at http://www.modernracer.com/tips/frontwheeldriveoversteer.html Do you think it's article material? // Liftarn

Drifting
In thereferenced sports in the 2nd paragraph, is there a good reasion Driftign_(motorosport) shouldn't be included? I know that this is somewhat considered a 'newbie' drifting technique but it's still a valid technique and i think the link should be there. Aspengrey 15:34, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Bootleg Turn.
Someone has again proposed a merge with Bootleg turn. To avoid fragmenting the discussion on two pages, please add comments at Talk:Bootleg turn. SteveBaker (talk) 13:32, 28 June 2008 (UTC)