Talk:Handley Page Victor

Move
I moved from Handley-Page Victor to Handley Page Victor to bring in line with the articles on the Company and its other products. Sc147 20:36, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Lusty Lindy Link Broken?
In the external links section, it seems that http://www.lustylindy.co.uk/ is no longer live. Check and remove after a few weeks/months? R5gordini (talk) 09:17, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Done after 4 months.TSRL (talk) 14:47, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

134 Squadron
According to RAF Squadrons - C G Jefford 134 Squadron was disbanded in 1945 and never reformed...I think you mean 543 Squadron - now added..

Victor Bomb Loads
Just as a matter of interest, according to Bill Gunston the Victor was designed for the following bomb loads:

Original design requirement:

1 X 10,000lb 'special bomb' - Blue Danube

Alternative loads:

2 X largest-size Blue Boar precision-guided bombs (Blue Boar was later cancelled)

or

1 X 22,000lb Grand Slam plus other assorted smaller weapons

or

2 X 12,000lb Tallboys

or

4 X 10,000lb light-case blast bombs

or

48 X standard 1,000lb bombs

or

39 X 1,000lb Type S sea mines - (written as '39 X 2,000lb' - presumably a typo and referring to 1,000lb 'A Type S' mines)

With reduced fuel load:

76 X 1,000lb bombs - 48 internally plus 28 in external underwing pods - structural provision for pods included but later replaced in trials by overload fuel tanks.

Data from: The V-Bombers - The Handley Page Victor - part 1 by Bill Gunston - Aeroplane Monthly - January 1981 issue.

Ian Dunster 12:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Error ??
"The B.2 was an improved Victor powered by the Rolls-Royce Conway RCo.11 turbojet engines providing 17,250 lbf (76.8 kN)."

But the Conway was a turbofan engine, not a turbojet (apparently the first turbofan). As I am not an expert on this matter, I will leave it to somebody else to correct it, if it is an error. Jason404 (talk) 20:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

The RR Conway supplied 22,500 lbs of static thrust

Michael HOW —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.207.120.96 (talk) 23:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You are right it is a turbofan, I have corrected it. MilborneOne (talk) 23:50, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

ommision in 'accidents and incidents' section
I know nothing about editing Wikipedia, so hopefully someone will do that for me. I have just discovered that two of my relatives were killed by a crash of a Victor B2 in Stubton Lincolnshire 23rd March 1962. Two crew were also killed. More detail is available here

--Tornadodad (talk) 20:50, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I have added a few more of the more notable accidents to the article. MilborneOne (talk) 21:35, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

CEP
Those claimed for the Victor is a waaay too large. Here a document (PDF) in which is described how the Victor could obtain less than 250 yd from 45 kft high level bombing. http://www.rin.org.uk/Uploadedpdfs/ItemAttachments/Norman%20Bonnor%20-%20presentation-web.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.11.0.22 (talk) 14:58, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

XA934
The accident summary XA934 is wrong, it did not suffer a further double engine failure, on take off No4 exploded and set No3 on fire which was contained. it circled for a few hours burning off fuel om final approach did not have 3 greens, did a low pass to put searchlights on the suspect Stbd undercarriage, told ok, went for final go round and remaining two engines No1&2) shut down.

Accident board put it down to fuel system mismanagement as there was plenty of fuel in wing tanks on the portside. https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=55304.

Dave232 (talk) 23:12, 17 December 2016 (UTC)dave


 * Well it did suffer a double engine failure although we dont mention fuel mis-managment, the source you point to is not particularly reliable do you have anything better we can source it from. MilborneOne (talk) 11:52, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

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Number of crew
It says there are five crew, then later says ejector seats were installed for all six. Some of the accidents say four, but is that tankers?


 * I dont think there is any room for more than five, two pilots at the front and three rearcrew sitting side-by side facing backwards. MilborneOne (talk) 19:50, 27 December 2021 (UTC)


 * The Avro Vulcan had a fourth seat downstairs, side-ways facing. (In the first of the Blackbuck Raids this seat was occupied by an air-to-air refuelling specialist who swapped with the co-pilot for refuelling only.) Perhaps the Victor had the same. Dolphin ( t ) 23:41, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

First supersonic flight date
The article states that the first time the Victor broke the sound barrier was 1 June 1956. I just happened on a newspaper item from 7 June 1957 about how a Handley Page Victor had become the biggest aircraft to date to fly at a supersonic speed and I wonder if there might not be an error here. The Finnish newspaper misspells the name Allam but otherwise the details fit. Googling a bit, I also came across this photo, dated 1957. Ofc it could be a coincidence and there may have been two supersonic instances a year apart, but still. Anyone have any better information or access to the book cited as a reference? --Rallette (talk) 11:29, 7 February 2023 (UTC)