Talk:Hanjian

List of people called Hanjian
I removed five names from the list that were not notable or were added by pro-unification users.


 * Li Denghui is enormously popular in Taiwan, and is consistently ranked as the best president in the country's history. In addition to that, he is of Hakka descent, meaning he hardly qualifies for being called a Hanjian (which is a traitor to the Han race). He was added to the list because of his pro-independence stance, which is unpopular among mainlanders but supported by most Taiwanese.
 * Chen Shuibian was added for the same reason.

There is a definition problem here, which is why I removed the names. Neither President Li or President Chen have done anything that could be construed as betraying the Han race, but they have rejected unification and thus betrayed the idea of "one China". The addition of their names thus reflects a distinct regional (mainland) bias and violates the neutrality standards of Wikipedia.

The three other names I removed were non-notable persons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harp Heaven (talk • contribs) 09:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

This article needs some work: -- Fuzheado | Talk 00:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * First graf - "At the time the Han Chinese were a majority of the population but not in power." What "time" is this?
 * History - "The government in Nanjing led by Wang Jingwei is considered to be all Hanjians by most Chinese, as are Taiwanese who fought in the IJA against China." This sentence doesn't quite make senses. What is "all Hanjians"? Need to wiki link IJA.


 * Throughout the Qing Dynasty.
 * Grammar change. Fixed. I also changed all plural "Hanjians" to "Hanjian" as it would not make sense to stick plurals to a language which has no plural form.
 * -- Миборовский U 02:02, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Hakka descent is part of Chinese. If Li Denghui colluds with others such as Japanese against Chinese, then he is a Hanjian. -Sdsch (talk) 04:13, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Source
Dewang and Kawashima Yoshiko need sources where they are explicitly accused of being Hanjian, for obvious reasons. --  Миборовский  06:27, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Corazon Aquino is not Chinese.


 * Actually she is. Her maiden name is Corazon Cojuangco which is a Chinese-mestizo surname and her Chinese descent is usually not disputed. See Corazon Aquino and the The Aquino Era. - Bob K | Talk 11:22, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Trials not necessary?
It is not correct that "Because martial law was enforced, formal trials were not necessary, and the condemned were executed swiftly". Martial law is not a state of anarchy. The absence of trials was more likely due to the fact that revolutionary authorities didn't bother with trials at any time.Royalcourtier (talk) 06:21, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Race traitor vs national traitor
In the English language, race traitor implies miscegenation, or opposition to racist government policies. It seems to me the "Han" part is a shorthand for the Chinese nation, so a more accurate translation would be national traitor. Faulty (talk) 22:51, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Page Update
Hello, I am planning on updating this page to fill it with more sources, nuance, and overall more information. I am not sure if anyone still looks here to edit but I will be somewhat updating the direct meaning of hanjian, working on the History section to provide a better reflection, incorporating the Modern Use of the Term section into the History section, and updating the Notable Persons deemed to be hanjian section with more people and more information about certain individuals. I will be working on all of this throughout the weekend and plan on incorporating it on Sunday. If there are any concerns or questions then feel free to let me know. Seanhaupt (talk) 15:16, 5 April 2019 (UTC)