Talk:Hank Hill

I dont remember hank ever thinking bobby was gay
Really, who ever put that there was just trying to gossip —Preceding unsigned comment added by SoldierOfColbert (talk • contribs) 05:50, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * When Kahn accuses Bobby of voyeurism at Connie, he does give out a relieved "phew". 81.157.253.111 (talk) 21:45, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

First Name
I don't recall his first name ever being "Robert", when did they say this? IIRC, when he looked up his birth certificate it said Hank/Henry(i'm not sure which at the moment) for his first name and he's said before that his name is Hank Rutherfor Hill. I've never heard anyone say Robert.


 * Ive heard on more than one occasion Hank being referred to as Henry. The times mainly were, one where Peggy was speaking to other soccer moms and referred to him as Henry. Peggy mainly referred to him this way when in certain crowds of people.Kongkit (talk) 02:30, 15 April 2009 (UTC)KongkitKongkit (talk) 02:30, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * A personal memory is not a WP:Reliable source. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 21:48, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Favorite College
When does Hank ever mention SMU?

Hank's age
article establishes that he was born in 1959. Is there any backup for this? Later, the article says that he's in his early 40s.


 * I personally think the article/inbox should establish his age and not a birth year. The show is on a floating timeline, where none of the characters age drastically, but the show reflects the current time. -- Jombage (talk) 13:25, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Trivia
Some of the trivia seems pointless. Do we really need to tell people that he keeps his lawn clean and pays his bills on time?--Grant the Wise 00:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

The first line of the trivia is wrong. It is Bill who holds the rushing record and Bill who played Running Back --69.177.189.8 14:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually Hank was the running back and had the rushing record. Bill was a wide receiver and had the touchdown record.

Time to do a little clean up then. I'm going to cut out some of the unnecesary stuff. Sound like a good idea?--Grant the Wise 00:11, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

That is debatable. While it WAS pointless to have things like his lawn and keeping his bills on time, he does pay a lot of attention to that lawn. He did once say:

"...I poured my heart and soul into my lawn, the tender feelings I kept back from my family..."

See? Usually, that means that people  like their lawn. --81.145.241.75 13:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Republican
Why is Hank listed under fictional Republicans? His partisanship is never established in the series. -user:Brian Murphy
 * Hank is a conservative. That's been well established since the first episode. He favors traditional family values (see the "Peggy's Turtle Song" (season 2) episode if you don't believe me). He voted for Reagan and probably Bush Jr. Ergo, he's a Republican.&mdash;EagleOne\Talk 02:53, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, in one episode in the 2nd season (Jumpin' Crack Bass), he stated that Clinton was "not my President; I voted for Dole..." in an argument denying the drug charges against him. So Hank is a Republican, despite the episode where he and the others fawned over Ma Richards. -Troy

Why does it say that Hank voted for Gore in the 2000 Election? I was under the impression the episode was about Hank coming around to voting for Bush121.210.30.118 (talk) 15:31, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I would disagree that Hank is a republican. There is a difference between republican and conservative. I do not think Hank would approve of corporate ownership of businesses (as evidenced by his hate of Mega-Lo Mart); he rather opts for small, family owned businesses that are associated with conservative, family values. This is further evidenced by his membership in a grocery Co-Op that sell home grown food. He also would not be in favor of using tax dollars to subsidize big business, which is something that both the Republicans and Democrats are guilty of doing. Because of his tendencies towards a smaller government role in how people live their lives, Hank is a conservative, not to be confused with a republican. It should be noted, however, that Hank has voted for republican candidates because most republican candidates' campaign is centered around lowering taxes and deregulation of business restrictions, something that Hank might view as helping to preserve his freedoms as an American citizen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chinhwa (talk • contribs) 17:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * You cannot put it if it is never explicitly stated. 198.151.130.66 (talk) 05:36, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Hank's appearance
How dose Hanks half brother look exactly like him when Hank clearley looks like his Mother?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.251.0.90 (talk • contribs) 17:42, September 25, 2006 (UTC)
 * Because they have the same father, Cotton Hill.&mdash;EagleOne\Talk 00:59, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No I'm talking about Junichiro not GH. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.251.0.90 (talk • contribs) 23:31, September 26, 2006 (UTC)
 * Like I said, they have the same father. Cotton fathered both Hank and Junichiro.&mdash;EagleOne\Talk 02:02, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The talk section is for discussing the article, not what it is about. And bl bla bla. You should know where I'm going with this.-- Suit-n -ti  e What Have I Done?! 20:43, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Picture
who removed the picture of hank from the page who ever did please put it back its seem realy stupid that other characters EG dale, bobby all have pictures on there page but hank ( star of ths show and main character ) does not

On that note, I KNOW there wa sboth a picture and a userbox here. Where'd they go?-- Wizardman 00:15, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I think the picture should be edited. It would make more sense to use a picture with Hank alone, rather than pictured with other characters.

Mathew Williams 06:21, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Why the hell is the pic a pic of The Hills, instead of just Hank, and from a Simpsons episode.SxeFluff (talk) 23:31, 24 November 2007 (UTC)]] 5:37, 24 November 2007

Quotes page?
Hank has some great quotes.. would a quotes page be plausable, or would it be to off topic?

"If Bobby learns to cook and clean, what motive will he have for getting a wife?" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 139.142.199.186 (talk) 04:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

Asperger's
Should that line even be there? Giving even a possible diagnosis for a cartoon character might be excessive. Obonicus 07:44, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. The whole idea seems rather ludicrous. I'll remove it.&mdash;EagleOne\Talk 02:06, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Project Texas
Rating start/mid Bhaktivinode 19:23, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Height & Weight
We learn his height and weight (6'2" and 220 lbs.) in the season 9 episode "Dale to the Chief", when he gets his renewed driver's license that accidentally lists him as female, which leads to a huge battle against the government, Hill-style. We also learn his eyes are brown.70.94.42.235 (talk) 00:57, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Woman
In the episode where Hank does not want to hire a woman to work at Strickland, the reason he did not want to hire that woman was because she was coming on to Hank and even grabbed his ass at one point. The current wording makes Hank sound sexist. Does anyone else have any objections to me changing this?Prussian725 (talk) 21:41, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Wasn't he also scared because she turned him on a little? Mjpresson (talk) 04:20, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Added el's and refs. Mjpresson (talk) 04:21, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * She didn't grab at him until after Strickland hired her. He was behind a desk during the interview and she was professional during it. He leaned against her as not being compatible, she didn't know football, and that she would upset Peggy. Peggy didn't mind, defended Maria even, but he clearly decided against hiring her after that night. (It's implied, but not actually said, that he may have thought of Maria during "ya know" with Peggy and that that's what turned him totally against hiring her)--T. Anthony (talk) 04:44, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Parody in Family Guy
Maybe somebody should add that Hank Hill was parodied in Family Guy's episode Petergeist? Reliable  Forever talk 19:40, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Beavis and Butthead
You know an early version of Hank is in Beavis and Butthead. I'm actually surprised no one mentioned this in the article. I think it was Anderson in that show. He was seen mostly in the Beavis and Butthead Do America movie. He has many similarities to Hank, especially how Anderson shows his devotion to gas and his love for the country. 75.82.125.215 (talk) 21:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

What in sam hill happened to the picture?
I remember a pretty good picture of Hank on this article. I think it was a still from the pilot. What happened to it? This one's terrible! It's all pixelated around the edges, and it has a black background, as opposed to the last one which showed him in the alley. I mean, shoot. We ain't come this far just to dump this thing in the drink. Who has a better picture? MajorTJKong 10:22, 10 March 2010

Grant Hill?
I have no idea whether or not Hank was named after Grant Hill, but Grant Hill's father was Calvin, an All-Pro Cowboys running back, not Hank, a propane salesman. Gtbob12 (talk) 20:48, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

time of birth really AM?
In the cited episode, is there not a baseball game which Castro is viewing? I doubt very highly there would be baseball being played at three in the morning. And if not, Castro would not have cause to be in Yankee Stadium at that hour of the day. -- Joe (talk) 00:51, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

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Description of Hank Hill, "conservative"
''Copy/pasted from my talk page: user talk:Jim1138, formatted for readability. Jim1138 (talk) 03:39, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

The previous version that you reverted mine to makes extremely sloppy (and repetitive) use of the term "conservative," conflating Hank's Conservative politics, conventionality, modesty, and morality. My edit also corrected the sloppy use of "progressive" and redneck, and added the fact that Hank can and does (reluctantly) adapt to novel situations with alacrity and skill, as well as improving the phrasing. Why was this any of a problem? Do you disagree with those points? I could provide numerous episode citations, but why should that be necessary? I said nothing objectionable. The previous version you prefer was controversial and prejudiced, mine is not. Please change it back. Johngorno (talk) 05:43, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * It has been that way for at least 18 months. If you look online for sources, you will find Hill described that way, such as here. I don't think your description of Hill fits. BTW: conservative is not a proper noun and probably should not be capitalized. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 06:34, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * The previous version's duration doesn't make it superior: if you have a particular disagreement about a Wikipedia entry, it would be better to change the particular you disagree with, rather than discarding an entire edit.
 * Firstly, do you disagree about the points I made about the sloppy terminology? See https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservative for the synonyms I am substituting. Wikipedia also correctly capitalizes Conservative in the context that I have corrected.  The version I am correcting sloppily uses "progressive" to refer to the unconventional and uses the often-derogatory "redneck" without quotations.
 * As for Hank's character, one can forgive a source outside of Wikipedia for its imprecision or failure to present a thorough, nuanced approach, as it is seldom intended to serve as an encyclopedic source, rather, to make particular points of interest to the author. How much of the show have you watched?  In the pimp episode, the quicinera episode, the Ren Faire episode, the nude resort episode, and many other examples, Hank's adaptive abilities are clear. Johngorno (talk) 01:12, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


 * If you look at the page conservative, you will see that in mid-sentence it is lower case. Wikipedia policy is that the article name be sentence case: WP:TITLEFORMAT. Your Miriam Webster link has it lower case in the title. As another example, rope, ball, and egg are capitalized in the title, but not mid-sentence. As the discussion has become more complicated and others may wish to chime in, I have copy/pasted the discussion to the article talk page. I gave you a citation (above) where Hill is described pretty much as it is on the Wikipedia article. Please show RS where Hill is described as you would prefer the article to read. Jim1138 (talk) 03:42, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

The capitalization issue is minor, although I will briefly defend it, referring to Websters: "1 -- adjective ... 2 b capitalized : of or constituting a political party professing the principles of conservatism: such as (1)"  "2b -- noun ... capitalized : a member or supporter of a conservative political party." As for the Wikipedia entry, it does capitalize in some cases later on: I'm inclined to do so because I am attempting to show the distinction between the various uses of the word:  "conservative politics" does not connote exactly the same meaning as "Conservative politics," and, as a political philosophy, it is often capitalized, as Progressive, etc., might be in a like case. Hank is conservative in every way, but there are better, more varied words to use for the various ways. Your citation (above) describes Hank as "an uptight middle-class conservative," it in no way contradicts my more detailed description. Indeed, "uptight" is a synonym for some uses of the word "conservative." The writer clearly thinks that it adds detail to her description, as I am attempting to do.

As for citation to support my particular observation about Hank's flexibility, I'm not aware of an authoritative reference on his personality that any of us can cite: I will direct you, however, to WP:DONTREVERT "Even if you find an article was slightly better before an edit, in an area where opinions could differ, you should not revert that edit, ..." "Do not revert a large edit because much of it is bad and you do not have time to rewrite the whole thing. Instead, find even a little bit of the edit that is not objectionable and undo the rest." "Do not revert an edit because it is unnecessary – because it does not improve the article. For a reversion to be appropriate, the reverted edit must actually make the article worse. Wikipedia does not have a bias toward the status quo (except in cases of fully developed disputes, while they are being resolved). In fact, Wikipedia has a bias toward change, as a means of maximizing quality by maximizing participation." Johngorno (talk) 11:26, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Capitalized referring to a political party? No political party mentioned that I can see. So why capitalize? You can see on Conservatism in the United States which you capitalized the pipe, it is not capped.
 * This was not by any means a "large edit". You changed the description and meaning considerably. DONTREVERT does not apply here.
 * Please format your talk per wp:talk page guidelines and wp:indentation I added the od. Jim1138 (talk) 14:48, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Indentation test. Each starting colon is a level of indentation. od is a tag for "out-dent," pipe must mean Wiki article link.  RS maybe means "reliable source?"Johngorno (talk) 18:26, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * jargon is bad, ordinary English is more intelligible.Johngorno (talk) 18:26, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * My edit rewrote, "Much of the humor of the show relies on Hank being a politically conservative, relatively introverted man, who struggles to show emotion, or to cope with advances in the modern world." I don't recall an instance of it deriving humor from his political conservatism (which is clearly shared by his neighbors).  Do you have a source to support this opinion?  Indeed, the source you cite observed, "Both of them (the show creators) set up the stories to pit Hank’s common sense against the forces of political correctness and legalism..."  Also, "A turning point for the show came in seasons 5 and 6, ... (creator) Judge, for one, has been pretty clear in interviews that he thought the show was going wrong in these seasons, making too much fun of Hank and reflecting the obsessions of the Harvard-educated writers who were running it."  And "... the seventh season ... more episodes were about Hank being the common-sensical guy standing against the insanity of the modern world..." And "The first episode produced for season 7 was like a template for what the show has been, more or less, ever since: Hank is appalled at the sexualized culture that kids are exposed to today; Bobby has a new girlfriend whose parents are polticially(sic)-correct, hip people who believe in letting kids do whatever they want; in the end, Hank is proven right"  And "The show has been very much on Hank’s side, and most of the episodes follow the pattern of that first episode of season 7, where Hank is proven right and the forces of Northeastern liberalism are proven wrong."
 * To return to the sentence I rewrote, I likewise don't recall Hank "struggling to cope with advances of the modern world," or of these alleged struggles being a source of humor. Can you provide a citation that disagrees?  My phrasing seems far more accurate.
 * To "it was revealed that Hank has a huge dislike for magicians after seeing David Copperfield make the Statue of Liberty disappear," I added "this is consistent with his contempt for deceit and exhibitionism of any kind." Do you disagree with that characterization?
 * If you disagree with my observation of Hank's adaptability, the most constructive approach would be to add a phrase preceding it along the lines of "Some viewers argue that..." or "Viewers disagree over whether..."Johngorno (talk) 18:26, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Avoid wp:Weasel words. wp:RS Not getting anywhere here, perhaps you should visit wp:DR? Jim1138 (talk)
 * ''Copy/pasted from my talk page: user talk:JohngornoGet others to discuss this. See wp:BRD Adding more edits to get to the magic WP:DONTREVERT threshold? See WP:POINTY. Jim1138 (talk) 03:34, 21 April 2017 (UTC) 19:36, 20 April 2017 (UTC) -- Jim, I have been trying to get you (and anyone else who's reading) to discuss the matter. I certainly am not trying to "game the system."  I am still unclear as to what specifically you object to, aside from the capital C, which I abandoned in my latest undo.  I also added lengthy episode references to support my opinion (which I guess would be better as footnotes).  As for weasel words, as there are no authoritative sources to consult, right here, we have two viewers who differ in the opinion, therefore, they aren't weasel words, but a recognition of a difference of opinion. Johngorno (talk) 05:08, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * We have had a discussion. I disagree. Get other(s) to discuss. See wp:DR Jim1138 (talk) 06:53, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * As you can infer from my sparse contributions, I'm unfamiliar with these inside-Wikipedia issues... I don't see any mechanism in your WP links to overcome an editor's determination to lock out changes to a favorite article, so I'm going to ask you to initiate whatever process you think might help us achieve consensus while I continue refining the article (hopefully, this will attract other editors interested in the subject.) Thanks.Johngorno (talk) 14:13, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

With reference to the preceding discussion, I have marked the phrase "Much of the humor of the show relies on Hank being a political(ly) conservative" as dubious. It is unsourced and I believe it to be patently incorrect: I invite any editor who believes otherwise to provide primary source (episode) references to support their conclusion.Johngorno (talk) 20:17, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * In the absence of any response to the preceding item, I am removing the phrase in question. Johngorno (talk) 06:13, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Added some sources. Text could probably use some fine tuning, but to remove it seems over kill.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 07:08, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I read every word of your references and they don't support the phrases I question -- in fact, one argues against it. There is a primary source, the show, and I still await references to it that support the dubious assertions.  Reverting my edits seems to be lazy overkill, especially since you overwrote my later edit, when you could have just changed the phrase you want to preserve.  I have redone the lesser edit first, as a hedge against a repeat, and now am redoing the more substantial one.Johngorno (talk) 20:42, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * If the point is that some viewers found Hank's political (or social) conservatism to be intrinsically humorous, the personality section is not the place to say so; someone who wishes to make that claim should put in the effort to move it somewhere suitable.  Further, that clearly was neither the intent of the show nor the prevalent perception.Johngorno (talk) 21:05, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Sources support use of "conservative". Remove the humorous part if you want, but I object to the removal of conservative as you did after the sources were introduced.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 07:20, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't debate that Hank is conservative, in every sense of the word, but the phrasing I keep trying to change implies that the show presents this as a defect and mocks him for it. (I find the rest of the list of flaws inaccurate, as I argued earlier in this section, but this one is flat-out wrong.) Since folks like you and Jim seem to have veto power over long-contributing but second-class editors like myself, rather than my trying again and again to craft something that you will not casually throw away, please rewrite the objectionable intro yourself. You also threw away my lesser edit, which, as I indicated above, I did first precisely so it wouldn't be discarded if someone discarded (yet again) the edit of the first sentence -- if it doesn't offend you, could you please restore it?  You can do it with one click, I would have to retype it without knowing if it will just be deleted with a click...Johngorno (talk) 01:19, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * If you want to preserve the inarguable kernel of the first few words, how about, "Much of the humor of the show results from the collision of Hank's deeply conservative manner, nature, and philosophy with the world and people around him?" As for the remainder of what I wish to delete, "relatively introverted man" -- Hank is friendly and outgoing, a salesman, hardly introverted in any normal sense of the word; "who struggles ... to cope with advances in the modern world" -- putting aside the prejudicial phrasing (struggle, cope, advances, modern), I can't immediately think of an episode where this occurred, much less recurred, indeed, a complaint about the show (see Maclean's, above) was the overuse of the formula that some trend arrives in Arlen, Hank declares it asinine, and is proven right at the end.  Hank doesn't "struggle to cope" with "modern advances," he is the (uptight) voice of sanity and common sense, who resists and disdains fads, trends, and change for change's sake. And then, "in which Hank is extremely averse and overreacts to physical contact or anything involving sexuality regarding his niece, Luanne," which I think is a serious mischaracterization: the running joke is about Luanne breaking into tears (of joy or sorrow) and hugging him -- yes, he doesn't want to hear about her (or anyone's) sexuality, or see her undergarments hanging in the bathroom, but it's her unrestrained emotionality and intimacy that freak him out. Johngorno (talk) 07:03, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * To be more specific about my issues with the first sentence, it suggests that the show is a satire that mocks Hank and his values, which is the opposite of the intent and predominant view. Not knowing how your Twinkle auto-Undo works, I was unsure if I would be allowed to delete any part of that sentence, so I added a counter-balancing quote from one of your references in my last edit... I will now try to replace both sentences with the introduction I proposed above. Johngorno (talk) 22:13, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

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