Talk:Hannah Montana 2: Meet Miley Cyrus/Archive 1

Alternative Cover
The alternative cover is a fake, it's fan made more than a rumored cover. The edges around Hannah Montana haven't been done properly so it's more than likely.

Informal Language
Should it really say 'hope you all enjoy the soundtrack when it comes out'. It seems a bit informal for Wikipedia. Mouseinthehouse 18:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Clips
I have added a link to a site with clips of all the Hannah Montana songs and one Miley song. Please no one delete it because it is legal and it does add to the article.

Song Connections
I don't think that this part of the article is necessary. If no one else thinks differently, I will delete it.Mouseinthehouse 16:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The part adds to the article. Don't delete it. Nguyen 10:13, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

dont delte it

i won't delete it, but it needs to be more organised because at the moment it is all jumbled and a mess. Mouseinthehouse 07:53, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

lyrics
how are you supposed to get the lyrics?

I know, someone wrote something about putting the disc into your computer but it doesn't work. Mouseinthehouse 16:36, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Billboard 200 notes
If memory serves me correctly, Miss Cyrus now has not just two number-one albums on the Billboard Hot 200 but, having debuted at number one both times, two Hot Shot Debuts under her belt. Billboard Magazine awards the Hot Shot Debut based on highest first-appearance on a chart (not re-entry), and the Power Pick on best improvement in sales and/or airplay of a single or album already on a chart. Perhaps the appropriate article(s) on Billboard's charts could use some expansion concerning the Hot Shot Debut and Power Pick(s)? - B.C.Schmerker 06:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Meet Miley Cyrus.jpg
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BetacommandBot 23:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

RIAA certification info on Billboard 200 chart
This was asked on my page but I think an explanation is in order here as well:

I was just wondering. You mentioned that Billboard.com cites the article as being certified 3x platinum with the source pointing here. However, the album has a '2' next to the triangle, indicating that it is 2x platinum. Unless I'm missing something, could you please verify where you got the info on 3x platinum? Dh993 02:15, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hover your mouse over the triangle icon for an explanation. For platinum you just see the triangle. The number after the triangle is the ADDITIONAL platinums past the first. That means platinum is just the triangle. A triangle with a 1 is double platinum, a triangle with a 2 is triple platinum. It took me a bit to figure out what was going on. I saw in a web article that Miley was celebrating the latest album going triple platinum, so looked into this. Also sales of 1.5 million double albums counts as 3 million units for RIAA certification purposes so it all checks out as triple platinum. --NrDg 02:26, 24 September 2007 (UTC) --NrDg 02:36, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay I understand what you mean, but your justification at the end does not make sense. In order to be considered a double album, an album must have over 100 minutes of music material, which this one only has about 60 minutes. So I was just wondering where the remainder 1.5 million came from. Punjeeri5 22:51, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * RIAA counts units, not albums. Not sure about the definition of a unit but this album obviously counts as 2 units by some funny RIAA calculation. The Billboard site has the report from RIAA (http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/riaa/index.jsp) and it shows this album in the multiplatinum report with a 2 which means, according to the note at the bottom of the table, triple platinum. Some Hearts by Carrie Underwood is in the same multiplatinum report and has a 1 beside it and it has to mean double platinum or it wouldn't be in this report. So the 2 checks out as triple for Hannah Montana 2: Meet Miley Cyrus. I'd love it if someone could explain what a unit is according to RIAA. --NrDg 23:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Hong Kong
How can hong kong, all the way near china, receive the cd before america, could someone explain?Yinyanglightningthrash 18:07, 9 November 2007 (UTC) Hong Kong is in china —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.55.240.22 (talk) 00:07, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It was just shipped to Hong Kong before the U.S. CatMan (talk) 03:42, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Requested move
Despite the name of this article and other internet proliferations, the album title is not "Hannah Montana 2: Meet Miley Cyrus". It is in fact two separate albums packaged together from two different record labels, and the correct title is "Hannah Montana 2 / Meet Miley Cyrus". Here is an image of the actual CD back cover and spine where it clearly shows the title: Hannah Montana 2 / Meet Miley Cyrus. Here are images of the actual CDs: Montana/Cyrus discs. Nowhere will you see a colon in the title on any official labeling for this product. Please don't change it back unless you can prove otherwise, from an official Walt Disney/Hollywood source, that the title includes a colon. Thank you! Electrafiction (talk) 18:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * RIAA certification database says MEET MILEY CYRUS: HANNAH MONTANA 2. Billboard  calls it "Hannah Montana 2 (Soundtrack)/Meet Miley Cyrus" Walt Disney/Hollywood   |  000465" and counts it as 1 album, not two. Both RIAA and Billboard consider it one album, not two for certification purposes - it is NOT two separate albums packaged together, it a two disc album co produced by two labels. The name in the infobox must match the article name. If you change one the other has to change. I'd like to see others weigh in before making a change. --NrDg 18:14, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * As for a Disney source check out Walt Disney Records where it is called "Hannah Montana 2: Meet Miley Cyrus". It looks like either name is in use and both are correct. No need to change article title or move article. Unless there is a compelling reason to change this a move impacts a lot of other articles. --NrDg 18:31, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

OK, fine - but here's some food for thought. I agree that a name change impacts other articles, but that's no reason not to do the work. The only reason not to change it would be if the information was incorrect. Both album titles may be "in use" (or even entered on the Disney website by an office employee who had nothing to do with the naming of the album), but only one title is actually correct. Once again, show me an official labeling of this album that uses a colon on a product issued by the label(s), and you've got a point. But just because someone calls a koala a bear, and others write it down and repeat it, doesn't make it a bear. It would be really nice if Wikipedia could be a source for correct information, and not a medium for propagation of the "acceptable". Electrafiction (talk) 19:30, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Question still comes down to what IS correct and I agree we DO want to name the article correctly. iTunes lists it as "Hannah Montana 2 - Meet Miley Cyrus". Embedded info in a downloaded iTunes song lists it as "Hannah Montana 2 - Meet Miley Cyrus" as well. Itunes is a valid distribution just as the physical CD is. I've also seen it listed as "Hannah Montana 2 Meet Miley Cyrus" without the "-" on The New York Public Library web site. Which one is the authoritatively correct title? I think personally that the delimiter is not really part of the official name having seen ": ", " / " and " - " all used by what would normally be classed as authoritative sources. If we do change the article title why would we pick one over the other. It becomes a judgment call as to which one is the correct one and we don't want to change from one arguably correct version to another until we are sure we are getting it right. --NrDg 20:08, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Might I suggest a reading of naming conventions? The above discussion seems based on the common but mistaken notion that Wikipedia uses article names that are correct in some sense. In fact, our policy is to go with English usage, whether correct or not. Yes, some people find this hard to understand, but it's the policy. Andrewa (talk) 02:54, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the link Andrew. That is indeed good info to know for general purposes, and I'm grateful you pointed it out.  However, I still feel the evidence weighs in favor of at least referencing the "correct" name of the CD (as issued on the product) somewhere in the article.  If I do add this, will an admin just delete it?  It certainly doesn't seem like proper English usage to use a colon to separate entities; it should be used to connect them.  "Hannah Montana 2: Meet Miley Cyrus" intones that if I listen to Hannah Montana 2, I will thusly be introduced to Miley Cyrus in doing so.  The purpose of using a slash was to divide the entities.  In the case of this album, each disc was actually issued by a different label - I'm sure in part to empahasize Miley Cyrus' indiviuality as a new artist and separation from her TV show character.  The packaging of the discs together was for sales and marketing purposes. Electrafiction (talk) 17:59, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I definitely have no problem with mentioning the various title formats in the article. The "/" character is a bit of a technical glitch as it also denotes a subpage in the talk namespace - not a real problem but a complication. Anybody can undo anything you change so a good explanation is good to have to head that off. This discussion should do that. --NrDg 20:35, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose move. Formatting issues like this are essentially house rules, not an essential part of the name.  We need to follow Wikipedia's style.  The colon is standard subtitle format, used for books for centuries in English, and the same for music.  Gene Nygaard (talk) 16:44, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Gene, read the discussion please. Meet Miley Cyrus is not a subtitle, it's a separate disc.  I'm fine for opposing the move, now that I know Wikipedia is not about "correct" information, as Andrew pointed out.  Cheers mate. Electrafiction (talk) 00:19, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Genre
Alternative rock? Post-grunge? Has any alt-rock radio station in the country played a Miley Cyrus song? This album should not be listed under these genres. Wolfer68 (talk) 17:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Differentiate the album into two articles??
Maybe we should differentiate this article into two articles, becuase it's 2 separate albums/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by I teh yuh (talk • contribs) 21:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No because it is NOT two separate albums according to how it is sold and tracked by Billboard for their charts and RIAA for certification purposes. --NrDg 21:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

miley summary
Another Disney Channel comedy series, Hannah Montana was really Miley Cyrus, the daughter of country & western star Billy Ray Cyrus. New in Malibu from her Tennessee hometown. Miley did her best to adjust to her new lifestyle and to her classmates at Seaview Middle School. While at the same time carrying on a "secret life" as preteen pop star Hannah Montana! Billy Ray Cyrus himself was seen as Miley's father and manager Robbie Ray. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.98.3.175 (talk) 17:03, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

This is not the Gallium Neutrino Observation!
For some reason GNO (Gallium Neutrino Observation) Redirects to here... FIX IT 72.219.161.24 (talk) 01:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Non-Stop Dance Party
The album should be merged into this one because it is just remixes of the Hannah Montana 2 disc. Like for Good Girl gone Bad there is a Good Girl gone Bad: The Remixes and that doesn't have its own article it is summarized in there. --Ipodnano05 (talk) 02:25, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Wrong Link
The link to Tim James under the producers is wrong. It takes you to Tim James the basketball player and not Tim James the Producer. That should probably be fixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mistacoolshoes (talk • contribs) 08:49, 1 January 2010 (UTC)