Talk:Hannah Montana season 4

Deletion rationale
Season 4 of Hannah Montana is not expected to commence until July 2010 and this article contains no meaningful, cited content. For this reason it was redirected to the main episode list at List of Hannah Montana episodes. However, editors keep editing List of Hannah Montana episodes to transclude this page, often resulting in errors such as template loops, mislocation of page data and hiding all content after Season 4 in the article. Deletion of this unnecessary redirect would result only in redlinks appearing in List of Hannah Montana episodes, which seems a better option to TPP. I have no problems taking this to a time consuming AfD but since this redirect is unnecessary and deletion is uncontroversial, CSD:G6 seems a far better and appropriate alternative. --AussieLegend (talk) 12:34, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I do not agree that this is mere housekeeping to delete the redirect. However, I would support deletion at WP:RFD. —C.Fred (talk) 16:31, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what to do with this article, although it may come down to protection of one flavour or another:
 * If the page isn't deleted, it will need protected against editing until around June, when reliable information on season 4 is available.
 * If the page is deleted, it will need protected against creation—and that's end-runnable by creating at a new title.
 * It's an ugly situation, at least for another three or four months. I'm not sure what solution will be friendliest for new editors and cause the fewest maintenance issues for experienced editors and administrators. —C.Fred (talk) 16:44, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Hrm. Is the best technical solution just to stub an article? We know that season 4 will exist. A minimal article on it will provide the information and funnel the edits to one place, reducing the risk of template loops, while pointing readers back to the main Hannah Montana article rather than the list of episodes. —C.Fred (talk) 18:37, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


 * FYI, there is this article Hannah Montana (season 4, that is half copied from season 3. I'm not sure how to resolve. Clubmarx (talk) 18:56, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm redirecting it here. And, per my previous comment, I'm being bold and putting up a stub. —C.Fred (talk) 18:59, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Stub
I've gone ahead and boldly put up a stub article. The advantage to the stub over the redirect is that the onlyinclude tags will function on a stub and not cause template looping. I'm also going to go ahead and link it in the list article.

I have no objections to a revert, and I have a copy of the stub in userspace at User:C.Fred/Hannah Montana (season 4). Yes, I tested transclusion before I took it live. It goes without saying that I welcome discussion here on whether this is the optimal solution. —C.Fred (talk) 19:02, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Given the ridiculous amount of maintenance that the main episode list article has required over, particularly, the past two months, I'm happy with leaving this stub up just to see what happens. --AussieLegend (talk) 22:10, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Hannah Montana Forever?
The alleged branding of the fourth season as Hannah Montana Forever keeps popping into the article. Is there a reliable source for this? The Disney upfront, which is used as a source in the article, makes no mention of it. —C.Fred (talk) 23:35, 22 March 2010 (UTC) Also, episode 8 is called "Hannah's Gonna Get This" featuring Iyaz. She has to write a really good song but can't seem to think of anything, but when she does write the song, the producer said he really likes but it doesn't fit Hannah, so she sings it with Iyaz.
 * This edit to Hannah Montana seems to confirm it but it's a linkvio so can't be used as a source. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:04, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Guest Stars
Does that list of guest stars include Justin Bieber? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.58.184.36 (talk) 03:45, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

No, there isn't a reliable source that states Justin Bieber is going to be on there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.89.201 (talk) 20:13, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

First Episode Leaked
why did someone deleted my edit about the first episode leaking! its all over Youtube! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yk2NiGAWVo i ask if someone put that on because that is a important part of it. Also, its a rought uncut version, because theres no audio interlude, laughter, and the title card is missing —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.46.27.224 (talk) 00:38, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Which edit was that? Your IP is not in the edit history. --AussieLegend (talk) 01:13, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

i dont know how to mess with Wikipedia alot. i posted it on here, then i check bak regulary, and then one day, it deleted! --74.46.27.224 (talk) 19:54, 27 June 2010 (UTC) i think my IP is 74.46.27.224

Music
Shouldnt it be in this Article about the Music for Season 4? Are You Ready? premiered on Radio Disney and is being used to promote the season. And Ordinary Girl is premiering July 2 so shouldnt that be mentioned under a Music section? And some kind of info on the song she performed during the Military Episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.170.44.78 (talk) 05:53, 30 June 2010 (UTC)


 * 01. Superstar
 * 02. Kiss It Goodbye
 * 03. Que Sera
 * 04. Need A Little Love (w/ Sheryl Crow)
 * 05. BareFoot Cinderella
 * 06. Where Ever I Go
 * 07. Been Here All Along
 * 08. This Boy, That Girl (w/ Iyaz)
 * 09. I'm Still Good
 * 10. I'll Always Remember You
 * 11. Where Ever I Go (Duet with Lily)
 * 12. Ordinary Girl
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.8.4.243 (talk • contribs) 02:01, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Episode 8
Has their been ANY update about the new episode of Hannah Montana: Forever? I have not seen ANYONE type ANYTHING about the new episode of Hannah Montana (I don't know what it is, either), but usually by now episode 8 would have leaked out or something like that. 70.247.191.217 (talk) 00:29, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Wherever I go
Heres an episode: Wherever I Go Part 1

Reference:http://www.showfax.com/type_selection.cfm?l=1&c=hannah+montana Director : Meltzer Goldwasser
 * The production code is 413 & 414, seems to be the season finale to me. It's divided in two episodes as well just like the finale was revealed earlier. ♫♪ Ady  niz  ♪♫ 13:55, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Showfax is not a reliable source for episode information. It relies on preliminary casting information that can change significantly by the time an episode is produced, let alone aired. --AussieLegend (talk) 16:19, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

internation release
the internationaly release thing should get moved down to below the episodes. can someone do that? --Gerty 21:56, 17 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gdaly93 (talk • contribs)
 * MOS:TV is fairly flexible as to layout but, surprisingly, it doesn't even mention episode tables in season articles, only in the list article. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:04, 18 October 2010 (UTC)


 * also, the international release says the dates are the "series" release, when they are actually the season release. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.211.121.196 (talk) 01:32, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

I'll Always Remember You
we need to find a reliable article that says what this episodes plot is. --Gerty 13:18, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * everyone keeps adding jesse to the episode but we need a source to back it up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gdaly93 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * is doctor phil and jay leno really in this episode? --Gerty (talk) 22:32, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * According to the press release they are. --AussieLegend (talk) 11:04, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

I signed up at Disney-leaks.com and watched the full episode please consider adding my info to wiki -jay Leno and dr. Phil were on this episode, drew Roy discovers the secret as Jesse Miley tells the secret on the Leno show and I'll always remember you and wherever I go were featured songs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.216.18.233 (talk) 06:56, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Episode 8 and 9- Seires Finale
The summary's below. The blanked out parts i do not know what they are saying.

Part 1 Miley is returning home from a concert and before reaching home thousands of paparizzi sourrounded Miley. Miley got tired of this life and lift, planning to do 3 years of college. The next day, Miley is ready for college. The issue is that the record company wants her to commit occupy much of the fame and would not want people to know Miley as Hannah. Miley is angry and meanwhile, Jackson and Robbie turns to the final study for the exam, which leads to much comfusion. Miley and Lily ask with some -- Lily and Miles tell her to follow a certain time -. While Ricco is home to Miley and her secret dicover great Miley is Hannah Montana.

Part 2 Miley begs him not to tell anyone Ricco's secret and blackmailing Ricco (to become his girlfriend). Soon after, Miley has a concert where they are singing "I'll Always Remember You". So, Miley is going to show the world the other side of it, cantang "Wherever I Go." At the end of the show, Miley makes a speech while removing the wig and tell the world who she really is, and will NOT be Hannah Montana. She does not escape the label of "Hannah Montana" Miley and Lily go to college togehter and how the owner gives them the request, makes her return. Follows Miley to launch a solo artist carrer, but in college. Finally with Robbie, Jackson creates a book about the life of Hannah after spending 5 years to the left and right respectivly Hannah. Miley retires in Tennesse, forgeting the city, fans, and especially the life of a celebrity. It's been a good TV show! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tommoo (talk • contribs) 03:57, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Last Episode of Hannah Montana?
On the top of this page it says there is 12 episode in season 4 Hannah Montana Forever but how ever it names all the episodes but it seems to be missing two or three titles. "I'll Always Remeber You" is the last one listed so is that the very last episode? I would like to know as soon as possible. Last is there any talk that Miley will go one last tour as Hannah Montana for her new CD? Usually when a person gets a new CD out they go on tour with it. But she has Can't Be Tamed to! So I'm not sure. Thank you very much. 75.27.126.150 (talk) 23:50, 25 October 2010 (UTC) ?
 * According to this source there are 11 episodes plus a one-hour season finale. Disney says that the finale will air in "Spring" 2011. That's all we have to work on for now. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:19, 1 November 2010 (UTC)


 * The episode was aired in India already and the promo said, it is the season finale. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Halchal (talk • contribs) 18:53, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe it is in India. --AussieLegend (talk) 22:30, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Episode 9
It says it will first air in India on the 7th and the USA after due to time difference. It's also airing in Australia and New Zealand on Nov. 7th. Due to time difference doesn't this mean it will air in New Zealand first and not India? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.89.142.82 (talk) 21:50, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Unless the planet starts rotating in the opposite direction, that would seem to be the case. --AussieLegend (talk) 02:36, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

15 episodes in this season?
Hey guys, Jason Earles mentioned that there'll be 15 episodes in this final season of HM on his official twitter account. I wanted to add it but just want to discuss it first. So, his verified official twitter account is an authentic source if you ask me. ♫♪ Ady  niz  ♪♫ 04:47, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I asked something above. Anybody? Or should I just add it in the article? ♫♪ Ady  niz  ♪♫ 17:33, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd like to say add it but it also says "the one hour is episode 9 and 10 for season 4". Both TV Guide and the Disney press release treat "I'll Always Remember You" as a single episode so there is an immediate conflict. We can't treat half of a statement as correct and the other as incorrect, so we really can't use it at this point. --AussieLegend (talk) 17:42, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * True but there were two different directors for each part so I think it should be counted as episode 9 and 10. What do ya say? ♫♪ Ady  niz  ♪♫ 02:58, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think if the Walt Disney Company says it's one episode and that's backed up by another reliable source then we have to go with what they say. What editors may or may not think is addressed in the first sentence of Verifiability. "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true." --AussieLegend (talk) 04:14, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I can understand :) ♫♪ Ady  niz  ♪♫ 06:09, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Full Season DVD
I am not sure how to start a discussion page so please don't be angry if i am doing this wrong. I recently purchased the Who is Hannah Montana? DVD and in it it has an ad for a Full Season release of season 4 and I feel it should be mentioned in this article. 70.120.214.50 (talk) 00:14, 20 November 2010 (UTC)Justine

Edit request from 71.217.152.240, 25 December 2010
edit semi-protected

Please change the word "Stanford" in the summary of "I'll Always Remember You" to "Standford". It can be explicitly seen (and heard) in the episode that it is not the real Stanford University they're referencing, but an expy with a "d" between the "n" and the "f".

71.217.152.240 (talk) 08:26, 25 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Is there any independent reliable source where this can be verified? Is there any way to verify this without watching the episode with captions turned on? —C.Fred (talk) 01:14, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 69.158.127.120, 26 December 2010
Please change the episode 'Kiss it All Goodbye' to 'Kiss it Goodbye' because the All isn't in it. I got this information from YouTube. Everyone as written it as 'Kiss it Goodbye'. Thanks.

69.158.127.120 (talk) 06:33, 26 December 2010 (UTC)


 * YouTube is not generally a reliable source. Reliable sources such as TV Guide and The Futon Critic, which base their content on press releases, show the episode title as "Kiss It All Goodbye". --AussieLegend (talk) 06:45, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 109.255.126.199, 4 January 2011
[Full text of article removed] 109.255.126.199 (talk) 17:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Please specify what changes you want (change X to Y) rather than dump the entire article. Also indicate what sources support the change. —C.Fred (talk) 17:53, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from ICarlyous, 5 January 2011
[Full text of article removed]

ICarlyous (talk) 17:37, 5 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Please specify what changes you want (change X to Y) rather than dump the entire article. Also indicate what sources support the change. —C.Fred (talk) 18:37, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Logo vs. DVD
I see that the DVD cover has been put up. Should the DVD be there or the Hannah Montana Forever logo? --DisneyFriends (talk) 18:46, 8 January 2011 (UTC)


 * The general convention is to use the DVD cover when it's available. --AussieLegend (talk) 18:53, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

15 episodes
I was just wondering how can there be two production codes for an episode? If there are two episodes airing in one night they should be credited as two episodes and not as "special one hour episode"! This would mean that HM season 4 has 15 episodes, as Jason Earles has already confirmed... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.2.152.204 (talk) 12:37, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how the episodes ended up with two production codes. Both of those episodes have been advertised by Disney as one-hour special episodes, not two back to back episodes. In the case of "I'll Always Remember You", it was aired as one episode with one set of credits so that makes it one episode, despite the uncited production codes. --AussieLegend (talk) 12:58, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Finale Article
There are separate articles for the pilot episode, crossover episodes, Jonas episode, and Jake episode. Should the series finale or the special episode also have it's own article? --DisneyFriends (talk) 16:18, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Any episode can have its own article but notability must be demonstrated and it can't be a plot-only description. Of the episode articles that you linked to, only Lilly, Do You Want to Know a Secret? complies with MOS:TV. The other articles probably wouldn't survive AfD. --AussieLegend (talk) 16:57, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. Jenks24 (talk) 01:17, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Hannah Montana (season 4) → Hannah Montana Forever
 * I'm purely basing this request on the fact that the sixth and final season of The Hills was, like this, promoted with an alternative name - The Hills: Final Season - rather than The Hills (season 6), and that that alternative is what the title of the article is. Unreal7 (talk) 20:22, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Despite being advertised as Hannah Montana Forever this is still the fourth season of Hannah Montana and various guides do not list it as Hannah Montana Forever. This is one of the reasons that the article was move protected. There is nothing to be gained from making the name of this article inconsistent with the naming convention established for other seasons and, if you want to start citing examples of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, despite each season being named differently, the five seasons of Sea Patrol (titled Sea Patrol, Sea Patrol II: The Coup, Sea Patrol: Red Gold, Sea Patrol IV and Sea Patrol V: Damage Control) are all at Sea Patrol (season x) for consistency. --AussieLegend (talk) 04:34, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose. As AussieLegend noted, the season is not widely known by the alternate title. The current situation, with the redirect, lets people find the article if they search for the alternate title, yet also makes clear that this is a continuation of the Hannah Montana franchise, not a separate show. —C.Fred (talk) 15:03, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Love That Lets Go
There has been some disagreement about the episode's name, where it is written "Love That Let's [sic] Go" with a dead link, claimed to be the proof that that writing is the correct one. I brought some very reliable souces such as iTunes and amazon.com. Also I bring other reliable sources that shows it the same way: TV Guide, The Futon Critic and tv.msn.com. I am reverting this again and hope no one will revert it, unless one has some more reliable sources to prove me wrong. Artmanha (talk) 19:01, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Firstly, please do not edit-war. I asked you on your talk page to respect the Bold, revert, discuss cycle and reverting only indicates that you are not willing to do that. As I indicated on your talk page, WP:STATUSQUO says that while the matter is under discussion, and until such time as there is consensus for your changes, the status quo prevails. Therefore, you should not revert. I've also pointed you to WP:DEADLINK which says Do not delete cited information solely because the URL to the source does not work any longer. WP:Verifiability does not require that all information be supported by a working link, nor does it require the source to be published online. WP:DEADLINK also says "do not delete a URL solely because the URL does not work any longer." Further, I've also told you that the source that you deleted was the original source used to verify the episode, as aired, was titled "Love That Let's Go", and since the source was from Disney, it was authoritative. It was well discussed at the time the episode aired, which is why it was restored to the article in April when a troublesome editor with a history of OR edits decided to change the title. While other sources may now omit the apostrophe for whatever reason, it aired as "Love That Let's Go", which is why it is listed as that in the article. However, as we have different spellings from different reliable sources, we should probably list both, taking advantage of AltTitle and RAltTitle, which are provided in Episode list for that purpose. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 19:21, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed, we should also do that for the episode "Kiss It Goodbye" then. Artmanha (talk) 20:13, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

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