Talk:Hannes Trautloft/Archives/2013/November

Deutsche Verkehrfliegerschule
I am wondering about the claim that Hannes Trautloft started his training in April 1932 at the Deutsche Verkehrfliegerschule in Schleißheim. According to a book on Günther Lützow, which I haven’t fully read yet, both Trautloft and Lützow attended the same course in 1931. MisterBee1966 05:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You are correct. mea culpa, I wrote the wrong year, the luftwaffe.cz site I used as source also said 1931 - its changed now. Abel29a 06:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Association of the Condor Legion
"Hannes Trautloft was to go on after the end of World War II to participate in the Association of the Condor Legion where he allegedly stated at a meeting of the group in 1956: "The effectiveness of the Condor Legion in Spain must be an example to young people in Federal Germany." Just added to Legion Kondor

The statement is reported but uncited and therefore may be false. What I think website Can anyone clarify his involvement in the various "veteran groups" hinted at in the article presently? Thanks in advance if you can. Fluffy999 13:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
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 * The lemma of this article is wrong. The correct name is Johannes Trautloft please see Gruenherz. In Germany the christian name Hannes is only used as a nickname. Pardon for my bad english. Trautlofts carrer did not end in 1945, later he became general of the west german air force. Trautloft retired in June, 30th 1970. Babylonäier (talk) 19:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

First Name
What irritates me is that Fellgiebel list Trautloft with the first name "Hannes". Also the www.geschichte.luftwaffe.de lists him as "Hannes". Also the page that presumably calls him Johannes list him as Hannes. MisterBee1966 (talk) 21:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Luftwaffe in 1932
The Luftwaffe was established in 1935, the Verkehrsfliegerschule Schleißheim was educating Pilots for civil purposes, not for the military (most of them joined the Luftwaffe later on, off course, but in 1932 it wasn't a military unit). When did he join the Reichswehr/ Wehrmacht? He learned to fly and was a Pilot in 1932 but it's impossible to be active in the Luftwaffe in 1932. 84.139.224.78 (talk) 09:38, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Additional Information--Trautloft likely responsible for saving the lives of 168 Allied Airmen
I am the author of the biography on Joseph Moser, an American P-38 fighter pilot who was one of 168 (or 169) Allied airmen who were captured with the French underground and designated "terror fliegers" by the SS. The book is called "A Fighter Pilot in Buchenwald." They were designated as police prisoners, not POWs and sent to Buchenwald concentration camp. The group's leader who had contact with the British SOE officers held in Buchenwald found out that they, like the British spies, had also been ordered by Berlin to be executed. But four days before that scheduled execution they were rescued by orders of the German Luftwaffe. A couple of weeks prior to their rescue, a German Luftwaffe officer came into camp, and one of the Americans who could speak fluent German was able to talk to him, despite efforts of the guards to keep the flyers away from the officer. Those of us involved in Joe Moser's story, plus those involved in the production of the film about these Allied Airmen, Lost Airmen of Buchenwald, were not able to find out who the German officer was. We only knew that through a French prisoner with special privileges Alfred Balachovsky, they were able to get word out through BBC broadcasts to Berlin that Allied airmen were held illegally in the concentration camp.

Now, the mystery appears to be solved. In the book "A Higher Call" by Adam Makos, we just discovered that the German officer who got the men released was Hannes Trautloft. All the details make sense based on the stories of the few remaining survivors. Joe Moser, age 91, continues to be very healthy, as do several other survivors including Chat Bowen, Don Shearer, James Stewart, and the irrespressible Ed Carter-Edwards. These men as just now being informed (March 19, 2013) of the discovery of their rescuer. I know this will be extremely meaningful and emotional to them. If anyone has any knowledge of any family members of General Trautloft, I believe there would be considerable effort made by these survivors to honor their father, grandfather or other relative.

I hope that this remarkable part of the Gen. Trautloft's story will be included in his Wikipedia record. 75.80.239.147 (talk) 17:36, 19 March 2013 (UTC)