Talk:Harbhajan Singh/Archive 1

CCOTM
Can we get started? not much time left before the world cup.--Thugchildz 03:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Coming. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:51, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Also are we going to have a peer review or just start without one? Well i think we need to have a peer review--Thugchildz 03:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I did it up to the end of 2005. Only one more year of chronology to go, and then we only need the quotes and pundit reaction. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Do you think listing of MoM & MoS awards will add value? If so - i can volunteer for the same -- Kalyan 14:30 26 February 2007


 * I guess Peer review/Harbhajan Singh/archive1 may answer the question. If so, I'd be grateful if you could help. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Question
>> Nevertheless, he has the highest average amongst current players batting in the No. 4 position.

What is this stat ? From what I can find, he has never batted at No.4 in Tests and was out for 1 on the only occasion in ODIs  Tintin 03:38, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

can you add in his new nickname in australia - gharbagearm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.191.89.70 (talk) 09:32, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Under performer

 * nowadays the performance of harbhajan singh is not up to the mark. Before deleting the segment of article, it is expected to discuss pros and cons . saravan_p 5th March
 * This article bullied by certain guys, who doesn't like to discuss, rather remove content which they don't feel like! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Parthakr (talk • contribs) 12:57, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Language too informal
Yeah, his performance isn't up to the mark, but your grammar & language is not the way to make edits. You are welcome to make the edits if your language is correct

Srikeit 05:55, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Nowadays his performance level has been diminishing considerably. He is struggling to get his rhythm right. He was severely punished by Shahid Afrid in the recent tour of Pakistan. Not penetrative in bowling as one in against Australia in 2001. In many of his recent outings, he is simply playing wicketless. With the performance against Australia in hand, he is surviving in the Indian cricket team squad.

But a very minor change I have made, as to meet the Wikipedia's standard, we have to write in unusual way. There is also one more Wikipedia in simple English, where we can use simple phrases and words. I feel nothing wrong in the changes I have made in the initial article. Srikeit, why can't you edit the same article with same stuff in your own language, as you have agreed the essence of the matter which we are investigating. saravan_p 18:00 IST 5th march 2006

"Subsequent"
There are still seven "subsequent"s left in the article; they do jar somewhat. --Dweller 10:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

FAC comments
I don't want a couple of my FAC comments to be lost:
 * a career summary table (batting/bowling figures against the other Test nations, like those at the bottom of Paul Collingwood and [[Adam Gilchrist]) would be good
 * a batting Manhattan graph is unlikely to be very instructive, but what about a similar thing for bowling average?

But congratulations to the authors on a fine featured article :) -- ALoan (Talk) 11:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Batting Strike Rate
The reference for this statement re: Harbhajan's SR shows it to be incorrect, so I'm removing it. Please do revert this if it's a mistake. Kaushik twin 18:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Why is it
That Indians seem to burn effigies at the slightest thing that annoys them? Case and point the advert.Pubuman 04:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * How is this question relevant/helpful for Harbhajan Singh article? - KNM Talk 04:33, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Beacuse he is from India, and he is a cricketer.Pubuman 01:15, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * And? We mentioned that efigies were burnt.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 02:00, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Isn't it obvious? There are several types of protests like strike, rioting, public nudity, petitions, peaceful demonstrations, burning effigies etc. Indians prefer the last one when the protest is directed at a particular person.--Mellisa Anthony Jones (talk) 02:12, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I am from India and I do not know myself! :) But we hear it so often in the news that it seems the most viable option to those who do so. 64.215.87.3 (talk) 16:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC) Abhi

Recent controversy
This article is of Featured Article standard. Adding uncited, POV or defamatory information in this article risks losing this status. The recent controversy deserves mention in the article, but it needs to be reliably sourced, maintain a neutral point of view and written in a encyclopaedic style. Breaches of Wikipedia's policies on biographies of living people will be taken seriously]]. -- Mattinbgn\talk 01:40, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Ponting
I removed an uncited claim about Ponting being Harbhajan's  bunny. There are plenty of reliable sources for this to be re-included, if it is attributed to someone in particular .and written in an encyclopaedic manner. -- Mattinbgn\talk 01:44, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

"Racial abuse"
I don't see how calling someone a "monkey" is racial abuse. It is no doubt abuse, but it bears no racial connatation in my mind. Maybe that should be cleared up, or an explonation could be added how the jury or the media got to that conclusion. Thanks, (74.134.124.3 (talk) 18:54, 9 January 2008 (UTC))
 * If it is not racial abuse, then why was it only used toward the only black player in the Aus team? Very disingenous approach. Grow up.

Phanto282 (talk) 11:50, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

It is racial abuse against people of an African background, because the person using the term is implying that because the person they are abusing is from Africa they are saying they are actually lower on the evolutionary tree than themselves. BartBart (talk) 12:56, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

If that's the logic behind the word "monkey" being racist, then I am afraid it's a very flawed logic because scientifically every race originated from the monkeys , not just any race in particular.So it's quite absurd to say the term monkey is racist to only people of African origin.By the way, Squidoo welcomes it's members with a message "Monkeybrain go back to work!" Would you say Squidoo is a racist site ? I wouldn't.

Vik  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.137.58 (talk) 19:37, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I think under "western culture" it is deemed as quite offensive but I think in South Asian culture if he did say it, its more accepted as being cheeky. Also personally I think its just alot of bull-dust being created.

124.190.91.227 (talk) 20:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Same goes for this contributor. You will grow as a person if you attempt to learn why this type of abuse is not to be tolerated.

Phanto282 (talk) 12:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I think if you call anyone with an African background it they are likely to be offended. Same as calling someone "boy" wouldn't be offensive unless they happened to be African/American or similar. It is the context of the term that needs to be accounted for, especially if the person using it is trying to offend. An example of this was some of the Indian crowd directing the term at Symonds in the recent ODI tour. BartBart (talk) 10:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

"obnoxious weed" nickname
http://content-www.cricinfo.com/baggygreen/content/story/339938.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.34.23 (talk) 14:46, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Fascinating. Another classy example of the sportsmanship exhibited by some players in world cricket.  Certainly not suitable for inclusion, as you well know.  The Rambling Man (talk) 14:49, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

- valid point if written in a different context, it could be argued that this is how his opponents view him, but we would need more examples than just matt hayden...miltondemagnifique

Request
Hi, I'm trying to remove links to the Punjab dab page. There's a link on this page that should be revised to Punjab (India). Could an established user please alter it? Cheers. Ka Faraq Gatri (talk) 21:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. - KNM Talk 03:40, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

=change the word == ass it is abusive to use the word ass to describe a person --amg 09:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC) itis done in the introduction please edit

Harbhajan is NOT "one of the most successful blower" nor "GREAT OFFSPINNER"
Please guys, he is not even near to be called good off spinner. There are 100's off spinner who have played the game ahead of him in terms of class and records. So if some one feels that he is. Please provide citation instead of writing your personal judgment. Harbhajan is Controversial King and the most disgraceful cricketer ever played for the great nation Indian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Parthakr (talk • contribs)
 * I don't know whether you're an ignorant person, or merely a troll, but here are some links you might like to go through:
 * The Times of India: "The 'Turbanator' Harbhajan Singh is India's most successful off-spin bowler."
 * Cricinfo: "India's most successful offspin bowler"
 * Reuters: "Harbhajan is one of his country’s most successful spin bowlers"
 * utcursch | talk 13:11, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Controversial King
Here is list of citations confirming Harbhajan's new nick name "Controversial King": —Preceding unsigned comment added by Parthakr (talk • contribs)


 * Only the first of those links mention the word "Controversy King" and none of them state that he has been nicknamed "Controversy King". Please read WP:BLP. utcursch | talk 12:59, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Harbhajan Singh penalized: yet again?
On 28th march, Sunday, 2010, 25th match of IPL between Deccan Chargers VS Mumbai Indians was held at Mumbai. Deccan chargers elected to field by winning the toss still couldn’t reach the pinnacle and Mumbai Indians won by 41 runs. The main source of Mumbai Indians victory was a mere Indian off spinner Harbhajan Singh.

Due to noteworthy and marvellous performance by the Turbanator Harbhajan Singh was awarded as “Man of the Match”. Being an off spinner he tremendously stood to the slots of batting and bowling too.

But the controversies are the leading associates of Bhajji. He could never arise on the path of fame and name without falling into the clutches of grabbing gossips. Even though, after his earlier expulsion from IPL, Harbhajan Singh could not learn a lesson and keeps on creating the same controversies.

Therefore, in the third season of IPL 2010 also, he maintains to be rude and harsh enough towards other national players rather pointing to agenda that he should resist the sportsman spirit peculiarly when he is an Indian and it’s an IPL, Indian premier league, particularly organised in INDIA.

On last Sunday, 29 March 2010, Harbhajan Singh was found guilty by endeavouring an insult or shattering the opposing batsman T Suman of Deccan Chargers. The match referee Sunder Raman considered it as high priority offence and thus penalized Harbhajan Singh for $15,000.His efforts and awards for man of the match proved in vain after his intentional and solid proposal.

Do you think that Harbhajan Singh will learn a moral from his blunders?

Harbhajan singh | Official website - www.bhajjiworld.com

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Mentioning Caste
Dear Editors! There has been a discussion on India Portal related to mentioning of caste of subjects. The point is that mentioning caste of people, who have nothing to do with their caste, is found to be unnecessary by few editors. Hence the caste of the subject person needs to be deleted from the biography. I am not deleting the caste as of now but am only posting this here so that the regular editors of this article are well aware of it beforehand and no edit-wars take place. For details of discussion held on the portal please refer Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics. Your views if any are welcome there or even here. And.... as the reasons of exclusion of caste pointed out were "irrelavant to notability of subject person", "privacy of the subject person", "inclusion of caste is like branding individuals", etc. other information included in the article which also fall under these cases will also be removed after discussions. Examples of it included religion, non-notable spouse's and children's and parents' information, previous occupation, lived in places, non-notability related educational qualification, etc. Your views on this are also welcome here or at the India portal. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 16:41, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Not here, please. There is a community discussion taking place at WT:INB and I would advise people to read the entire discussion before forming an opinion because the above summary is incorrect. Nothing more need be said here. - Sitush (talk) 02:27, 4 January 2012 (UTC).

Mention of chucking
I've read the page and I think there should be a mention about suspicion of chucking, because there have been loads of official reports and investigations of him. Even though he cleared them all it at least should be mentioned. - hfkm 20:39 14 March 2012 (UTC).


 * Did you notice that the second paragraph of the article states "His career was initially affected by investigations into the legality of his bowling action, as well as several disciplinary incidents" and under playing style "With a whippy bowling action, he was reported for throwing in November 1998. Although forced to travel to England for tests, his action was cleared by former English player Fred Titmus." Nev1 (talk) 20:44, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Ramgarhia
I have just removed the word Ramgarhia from the opening sentence of the Early life section. Although he self-identifies as a Sikh etc, the sources do not mention Ramgarhia, let alone show self-identification. Since that is a specific ethnicity, it represents a breach of WP:BLP. I realise that this is a FA but BLP vios should always be removed when spotted. Hope that this is ok. - Sitush (talk) 09:53, 21 March 2012 (UTC)