Talk:Hard trance

Cleanup
this page needs some serious work. anyone got enough back knowledge on Hard Trance to do so, and then link it to the Trance catagory? --Threatis 23:49, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

I can contribute, I suppose. I did my term paper on electronic music, with a focus on hard trance, so I will help in any way I can. Zombie bomb 10:09, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

But, seeing as how I've never done any major project like an entire wiki entry, I would love some actual user help who knows about the topic as well! Zombie bomb 10:12, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps this page should be split into two seperate pages, being UK Hard Trance and European Hard Trance. The two aren't alike and have different roots, so it doesn't make sense to just bundle them together under "Hard trance". Syfoon 00:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The origins part doesn't sound quite right... did the genre only form after the year 2000?

I think it need to mention the evolution of the genre through the time, specially from 1998 to 2002. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.144.102.201 (talk) 12:58, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

what a crap article - what does "it lost popularity around 2007" mean? (popularity with who?) - try telling that to the thousands of hard trance producers around the world.And as for this crap about "getting into hardstyle" - who wrote this? most enjoyers of hard trance wouldn't be seen dead bothering about kiddie 'music' like hardstyle. this article needs deleting and starting again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.155.97.180 (talk) 19:05, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Lots Of Citation Needed
I just came back to this page after a year, and see it's at least been expanded a bit. Now, lets get some of these facts cited, and it put into a proper Wiki Template. I don't think I have enough knowledge about the subject to mess with it specifically, however. --Threatis 12:34, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

'Hardcore trance' recently deleted
The article Hardcore trance was recently deleted. I'm wondering whether or not the term should be re-created as a redirect to here, Hard trance as a synonym. I'm not familiar with this musical genre; my inquiry springs from looking at the many articles that linked to the deleted article. Thanks for considering this. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 02:58, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

This hardcore trance that you talk of...What it is really known as is either as 160bpm hard trance or Trancecore. But it is known more as 160bpm hard trance...Or, it was. Some good examples are Nostrum - Brainchild, Legend B - Lost In Love, and Cocooma - Virtual Experience —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ricdose (talk • contribs) 05:47, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Hard Trance
Would I be correct to assume this is the genre of compilations such as "Ultimate NRG" and "Clublend X-Treme" (not to be confused with clubland xtreme hardcore). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smx2007 (talk • contribs) 17:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

Artists?
From a quick scan, it appears that this article doesn't even have any examples of artists that use this genre, so wouldn't that make this genre not even a real thing and only theoretical? Why is there an article for a genre that isn't used by any artists? ...there is you dope, but i'm not sure if there are artist who pigeonhole themselves in hard trance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.4.45 (talk) 00:29, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

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Origins
"The hard trance sound developed out of the breakbeat hardcore/hardcore era which itself developed from Belgian New Beat industrial style of Techno. When the hardcore breakbeat production community split into its separate subgenres, hard trance began to develop within the breakbeat hardcore production community."

Not really, there was no such thing as trance there.

First tracks now labeled as trance were made on German techno scene, especially in Frankfurt.

Real separate genre and scene developed in Berlin under Paul van Dyk and Kid Paul in E-Werk club.

Then, Frankfurt was more active. A lot of trance in both Dorian Gray and Omen.

From the beginning there were harder tracks which could be labeled as hard trance, but real scene and sub-genre developed only in second half of 90s in Frankfurt and was centered in its techno clubs.

Confusion comes because of retroactive labeling, saying there were some sub-genre before it ever existed.

This is often seen in UK, there is a lot of revisionism, like in this case when there is no real connection between UK and early hard trance scene. 93.140.27.217 (talk) 10:40, 24 August 2022 (UTC)