Talk:Hardcore hip hop

"the Gangsta Rap totally disappeared."
Removing this part of the article; it's ridiculous. It's embarrassing, especially since other Wikipedia articles on rap clearly point out that gangsta rap continues to be a significant factor in hip hop, to this day. Gangsta rap hasn't disappeared, obviously, as shown by the continuing success of 50 Cent and many other gangsta rappers.

I want to know more about the hardcore like a style

Artists
Most of the people on that list are no longer making hardcore hip-hop and are currently making pop music --Xdiabolicalx 22:08, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

True, I especially believe that Snoop Dogg should be removed. He is clearly Pop. ReverendG 00:21, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

No they shouldn't be removed. Just because they are making pop music, doesn't mean there pre-existing music is pop.

Why Eminem ain't on the list? He did a lot of hardcore hip hop songs. Sabertooth 02:13, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Sound samples
I just deleted the section, as no file were present for them. Please provide a fair use rationale when re-uploading. Don Cuan 06:29, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Tim Dog
Tim Dog should be on the list, his album Do or Die; is dedicated to hardcore hip hop and he coninues to do hardcore hip hop MC Bucky —Preceding unsigned comment added by MC Bucky (talk • contribs) 03:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Redirect
This was recently redirected to gangsta rap. Hardcore hip hop and gangsta rap are not completely synonymous. As those refs point out, "Gangsta rap is the style most commonly associated with hardcore rap, but not all hardcore rap revolves around gangsta themes". Therefore, it's misleading to treat those terms synonymously by redirecting this page. If anyone thinks this article shouldn't stand on its own, please take it to AfD instead of redirecting without discussion. Spellcast (talk) 01:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Allmusic is a painfully inacurate source, and if you wish to prove the exstistance of this genre, I suggest you find a better source. Until that time, I will enforce the agreement of amny editors that this pages does not deserv an article Dude101.2 (talk) 04:25, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * There's no agreement of "many editors" here or anywhere that shows support for a redirect. Four people have reverted the redirect with no-one else showing support for it. Anyway, Allmusic is accepted as a reliable source, so unless there's evidence of those refs being otherwise, the source stands. Not all hardcore rap falls under "gangsta themes" and here's a few books that clearly distinguish between the two: (p. 130),  (p. 92-93),  (p. 184), and  (p. 432). Sources have been provided, so if you still don't think the article should exist, the next step is an AfD. It would be completely inappropriate to keep redirecting at this stage without getting wider input. The last thing anyone wants is genre warriors. Spellcast (talk) 16:32, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

What exactly are "gangsta" themes? The difference, if any, between hardcore and gangsta rap needs to be clearly established as two separate genres. So far I've never seen anyone make a decent argument. But according to what wikipedia labels rappers, apparently anything from the west coast is gangsta, and anything from the east coast is hardcore. Which is a ludicrous definition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.7.242 (talk) 20:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Artists?
Your kidding me? There are so many hardcore rappers better known than the majority of those on that list. Wu-Tang Clan? Mobb Deep? Nas? And no where does the article indicate that list is only partial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DevourDarkness (talk • contribs) 07:53, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Hardcore rap vs Hardcore hip hop
Rap is a style of music in particular, whereas Hip hop is a more broader lifestyle category which includes the music/rap aspect of things. My issue here is the use of the term "hardcore hip hop" to essentially describe "hardcore rap", when the term Hardcore hip-hop is actually rarely used to describe this style of music/rapping. For example, when one says "political hip hop", it refers not to a style of rap but a subject matter, and which transcends beyond simply rap, and can appropriately be used to described one's take on hip hop as a whole.

My point is that, "hardcore rap" is used to describe a rap style that is loud and aggressive; whereas the term "hardcore hip hop" does not have a defined term and can mean different things to different people, for example "serious hip hop" or "real hip hop" or "hip hop that lacks non-hip hop aspects" or more.

Even in this article, I have yet to see ONE single citation that can reference a widespread-use of the term hardcore hip hop. Even citation no.2 which has been edited to say "hardcore hip hop", the reference article itself actually says "hardcore rap". I am thus questioning the validity of the term "hardcore hip hop" as a synonym for "hardcore rap" and whether this wiki article's title should be labelled as such. — DA1 (talk) 22:05, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Scope of article
The article starts out discussing hardcore hip hop of the early to mid 1980s such as Public Enemy, Schoolly D and Ice-T. The list contains contemporary artists whose sound is nothing like the old style such as Army of the Pharaohs. I propose the article be split into two or restricted to only hardcore hip hop of the 1980s. The list at least should be limited to artists of the age when hip hop was evolving into something "hardcore".Rfwh (talk) 04:54, 21 March 2015 (UTC)