Talk:Hardcore pornography/Archive 1

NPOV?
NPOV tag added with no explanation given, so removed unless a reason is given. Jezzerk 06:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Completely unverified facts and baseless, moralistic accusations used in the "Against" column. Verification and References are the pinnacle of any Encyclopedia and thus should be so for Wikipedia as well. 70.77.41.16 17:52, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia attempts to present topics from a neutral point of view. Unfortunately your verification tags have had to be removed because you are clearly POV in favour of porn.  However, the section has been amended to clarify where the arguments come from and that research results are disputed.  Moral arguments have to be included in this section to ensure NPOV regardless of whether any individual agrees with them or not. Jezzerk 08:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


 * There's a *significant* difference from disagreeing with points, and wanting them to validated. You still have no real validation and the points have little basis in fact. I believe you're the one infringing upon the NPOV, especially relevant by your habit of removing past NPOVs. While moralistic reasons are a valid concern, *baseless* moralism has no place in an encyclopedia. Cite your references about pornography increasing rape among other things.


 * Several studies have proven quite the opposite, thus making such a claim not just against the NPOV, but completely and utterly factually wrong. See here for more details: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=913013  70.77.41.100 17:21, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge recommended
There is a proposal to merge this article with Pornography as there seems little information here that is not already included in the Pornography article. Discussion is at Talk:Pornography.

Cleanup
I've cleaned up the article somewhat and made it generally more presentable. I am not keen on the For and Against sections as they are just a list of vague objections/defenses with no real discussion. I suggest improving this section or deleting all of it except to mention the controversy among crackpot Christians and others. After all, this is dealt with in the main pornography article. -Neural 22:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Introduction
Suggest removal of the US rating system from the introduction. Unless, of course, the intention is to have yet another US-centric article. Or a listing of all the rating systems from everywhere else in the world
 * nevermind - removed it myself, as being irrelevant to the introduction, and culture/national specific

New Devil In Miss Jones
In reference to the image on the right. Is "New Devil In Miss Jones" really a classic? It came out in 2004, wouldn't it take a little longer for a movie to get "classic" status? - OPaul 06:20, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Needed Example
I think an example of Hardcore porn should be placed in the article. I think the cover art is not a good enough example. There should be a film screen shot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Nirvana Rules (talk • contribs)
 * Hear, hear. I am all for it. What does the the people say? A little consensus before going hardcore would be very nice. Aditya Kabir 16:48, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I think so too. We ought to have a more 'elaborate' example. Kendirangu 14:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Why has there been a gay porn picture added to describe the article? I don't care if they're gay or not, but a) doesn't providing a gay picture lead to people believing hardcore means gay, and also b) it seems that they've only used a gay picture because they can. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.103.183 (talk) 23:19, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Would you say the same thing if it was a straight porn picture? And I don't think we can make assumptions about the motivations of the uploader. Mdwh (talk) 23:22, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Newdevilinmissjones dvd.jpg
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Gang, if you do any real research on the supreme court and this issue, you will see time and again that they come out AGAINST hard core pornography. There are many examples of this. THis should definitely be in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.79.135.239 (talk) 02:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Legalization?
It would be interesting to know what was illegal in the various countries - e.g., production, publication, distribution and/or possession? Mdwh (talk) 21:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)