Talk:Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger

Vocoder/Talkbox?
This article used to say that the song used a vocoder; now it says a talkbox was used. Can anyone verify which is correct or say why they changed it?
 * It is a vocoder - somebody keeps editing Daft Punk articles to say they use a talkbox and it's driving me nuts - the two are very different! I have edited it back, I will find a reference when I get a spare minute. Davetibbs 12:18, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It sounds more like a talkbox. Daft Punk use vocoders in some songs and talkboxes in others. HBFS is definitely a talkbox. Don't know if I can find a source for it. Douglasr007 17:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

So which was it? We need a source. makes no sense to just call it "a robotic voice effect" - that doesn't explain anything --75.11.13.129 (talk) 17:56, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

It sounds much more like a talkbox than a vocoder.

I don't think it was a vocoder. There's a YouTube video of a guy playing this live on a talkbox and it's so accurate that I think it may actually may help coming to a conclusion here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwf2uvWlL_c  77.179.32.136 (talk) 21:29, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The conclusion won't be determined by committee, but by citing a source. jhsounds (talk) 22:03, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Workit Flash
SM - 21:24:48 MDT: Added link to the "workit" flash by EvilZug.


 * Flash animations are not notable. Just64helpin 18:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Lyrics
The first link was wrong so I corrected it, replacing the second link because the first does not have advertisements. --Anthony5429 16:13, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Uh, I don't think the link I used contained ads. Then again I use Firefox, so I more than likely didn't see them.  The link works now and that's all that matters :) Bmecoli 23:32, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Copyrighted material will be removed. Just64helpin 18:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

What is the go here? I was going to add something about the misunderstood lyrics ("hour after hour, work is never over" VS "hour after, our work is never over") but there is no point if it was already deleted. Personally I think the former is correct, the latter makes no sense but I can't find a genuine source on the correct lyrics. lachie_h (u 00:10, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The liner notes of the Discovery album contain the lyrics, and I suppose that could be used as a primary source. However there would still need to be a secondary source indicating the "misunderstood" nature of the lyric. jhsounds (talk) 03:48, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Good Point. So which are the correct lyrics? I'm happy to make the necessary changes but I don't have the liner notes. I'm also curious to see what the real lyrics are... lachie_h (u 03:14, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

The phrasing "Better, Faster, Stronger" is the same as from the 1973 TV series "Million Dollar Man" opening intro. Is that the origin of the phrase, or is it from before the TV show? It seems like credit should be given to the source if it is known.


 * The origin (or at least an inspiration) is probably the motto of the Olympic Games, "Citius, Altius, Fortius" ("faster, higher, stronger" in English) 95.130.26.21 (talk) 08:25, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Defacements removed
Reverted to an earlier version after I found junk added to it (sexual references replacing track listings, etc.).

the readdition of a direct link to the sample
the articles i've readded a direct link to provide a sample for illustrative purposes, and hence are fair use. please discuss the matter before deleting them again. --Kaini 05:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Offensive Secret Message
There has been speculation of a message distinguishable when playing the song backwards, however it contains sexual references and possibly a reference to rape. I'm not sure if it would be appropriate to include/link to. The Bone III 03:52, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * If the link is just a video with reversed sound, it would not be appropriate. Just64helpin 20:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * A quick Google search revealled the flash video that "reveals" the secret message (at http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/daftpunk) however, in my humble opinion like nearly all backmasking "revelations" it's an absolute load of rubbish - it sounds (incredibly vaugely) like the words they flash on the screen because they're telling you what to hear. The power of suggestion is very strong.  Therefore I agree with Just64helpin - it's just a load of backwards words. Davetibbs 19:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Agree too, you can get stuff like that out of almost any song, and not even the flash video demonstrating it seems to be very serious about it... hardly notable. 84.217.196.130 23:41, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Sample
http://www.ultragraphik.com/blog/index.php?q=daft+punk

Check it out, shouldn't it be noted that Daft Punk sampled Edwin Birdsong - Cola Bottle Baby. Which is why I found it very surprising that Kanye West would sample Daft Punk, because that is in essence sampling a sample. Which is generally considered wrong in Hip-Hop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.107.53.64 (talk • contribs)
 * Um, it's already noted. As I stated elsewhere, "Cola Bottle Baby" has nothing to do with "Stronger", which samples only an accapella vocal from Daft Punk. Just64helpin 17:46, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Kanye West is only sampling what Daft Punk added to the "Cola Bottle Baby" song. Douglasr007 19:43, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * So Kanye just sampled the vocal portion of Daft Punk and the rest of the instruments were played out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.107.53.64 (talk) 21:02, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's more likely that Kanye sampled the vocal-only version of "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger" released by Daft Punk a while back, but yes. Just64helpin 21:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Not the vocal only version, as "Stronger" includes the drum track that goes along with that section of the song. I know, I sampled it myself once. He took the sparsely instrumental section that occurs betweenst 2:02 and 2:09 in the original. 67.167.105.195 03:23, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Loop
Now with the 2007 version referenced as a single, when searching through the list of singles by Daft Punk, if you try to access the 2004 version it goes to the 2007 version which makes a loop making the reader unable to see what singles came before the 2004 version of Daft Punk. I realize that wasn't worded very well and could be far better understood by going though the singles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.22.201.114 (talk) 08:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Groovy Dancing Girl - Sophie Merry
Links: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr2JneittqQ&feature=related http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2007/groovy-dancing-girl-p1.php

It took a little while for me to find the name of the song and trace it to this page. I invite readers to check out the above links to see a dance interpretation of the song by Irish girl Sophie Merry. The viral phenomenon of the dance video on Youtube captured the imagination of designers for Etam, a French clothing company. She was featured on an Irish chat show programme Saturday 17th May 2008 - I just had to see the video again. This previously unknown who dances for the love of it has just gone global. I think she's great!

LOL!

86.43.210.252 (talk) 23:09, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Michael O'Neill, Dublin, Ireland - 18th May 2008


 * I think her work deserves notability for inclusion, as she's using some of the same techniques of altering video as daft Punk use for audio. One of the ways Daft punk emphasize the digital realm from which their music comes is strict quantizing of most of the samples, which is a long way of saying "letting the computer decide the timing of the notes and samples in the music." Sophie--is it Sophie? Her moniker is "Bandy Toaster." At any rate, she's an animator I've corresponded with who is quantizing video of herself dancing to match the music.  Her youtube video for HBFS has over 3 million views, so I would heartily vote for a mention in the article.  O0drogue0o (talk) 10:03, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Daft Hands
There seems to be a youtube buzz about this song recently - people are doing a kind of choreographed hand movements, showing the lyrics of the song written on their hands. Here's the video that started it http://youtube.com/watch?v=K2cYWfq--Nw (more than two million views in about three months, which is a lot more than even the real video has). Search for "daft hands" and you'll get a lot of other results. I think this might be notable. 84.217.196.130 23:48, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:N. Just64helpin 23:54, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm definitely gonna say YES. I actually suggested this on another page before realizing it was the Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger. But I'm definielty in support of adding Daft Hands.

Mr.troughton 16:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It can't. Not notable per WP:N, YouTube fails verifiability so it also fails WP:V, and it's just a fad. Douglasr007 20:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

But it has been recognized in media other than youtube. The guy who originated it did a whole circuit of talk shows including The Ellen Show.

Mr.troughton 15:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * If Daft Hands is excluded just because of WP:N (and therefore WP:V) that just shows how notability has gotten totally out of control on Wikipedia. This "fad" has over 9 million views on youtube now. Wikipedia is lax as an encyclopedia if it doesn't make mention of its popularity. Plus, it's recognized in other media as Mr.troughton astutely noted. I'm going to get bold and add it. - Draeco 07:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that it should be here, but please add links to 3rd party uses of the video. --129.241.151.140 (talk) 21:13, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * What about "Daft Bodies"? It has almost three million views after only five months on Youtube. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.211.171.142 (talk) 01:58, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Notability is not based on the number of views. Just64helpin (talk) 02:01, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't you mean Notability is not solely based on the number of views? How are Youtube view counts any different than radio airplay charts, in terms of gauging the exposure of media? O0drogue0o (talk) 10:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

The changes I made to the article which included a short alterations and additons in regards to the Daft Hands YouTube video was reverted. I originally had planned on removing the mentioning of the video as I thought it lacked notability. After further research I found the video to be quite notable and elaborated on the details of why it was. I found the information to be both interesting and informative. The popularity of media is often defined by its number of hits/sales; ex. hit singles, movie sales, internet websites. The fact the video has close to 26 million hits made it an encyclopedic fact that would not hurt the article in the slightest.

If the revert was not about the information but lightly dismissed as a IP vandalism, one should assume good faith. Wikipedia is an open wiki which allows its editors the right to remain anonymous yet still constructively contribute to the Wikipedia. If you wish to dispute the changes I have made, please make your argument here rather than revert them on site. 205.200.64.158 (talk) 21:34, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem with posting a number of views is that it is subject to rapid change. A general statement about the video's ranking would be more stable, not to mention cleaner-looking. just64helpin (talk) 21:49, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Not to post every fan-made video of this song, but there is fairly high-quality fan-made video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTE9JShUpiI that makes for a good alternate 'unofficial' video of this song. This version I'm linking might be a repost on youtube (I can't find the original post), so it doesn't have a very high view count. Dlsimon (talk) 19:14, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Structure
The structure section has more to do with the structure of sampled songs than the structure of the actual song. It doesnt even mention that the song only has 20 words that eventually all come together as a sentence. Kind of important for it is not a usual song structure. Sallyboy44 (talk) 22:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, since Wikipedia is not the place for original research, some sources would have to be cited. However, it seems that the majority of source material available focuses on the use of the Edwin Birdsong sample. just64helpin (talk) 22:22, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Derezzed Single
Derezzed was released as a promotional single and need to be included in the chronology of singles. It is their latest release to this date Kaigenji (talk) 22:05, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

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