Talk:Haridasa

Heavily slanted
The Bhakti movement started in Tamil Nadu and spread to other parts of India. The 12 Alvars were from a period 6-9th century. Their more than 3,000 songs were sung and celebrated in Temples for a thousand years or so. Ramanuja was also of an earlier period. He was in Melkote too. The phrase "movement found its roots in the Kannada country and later spread to other parts of South India,", in spite of the clauses given there gives a slanted import. Before Veerashaiva, there was a Saivaite movements in Tamil Nadu between 5-9th century. About Carnatic music, Annamacarya is certainly earlier than Purandara Dasa, Muthu Thandavar was a contemporary of Purandara Dasa. This article is written with a hihgly slanted view. --Aadal (talk) 22:58, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

About Carnatic music:

Established musicologists and scholars specializing in music history etc do not take cognizance of Haridasa movement or its "influence on Carnatic music" or its influence on the 18th-19th century muscians. Take the examples of Emmie te Nijenhuis, Lewis Rowell, Prof. P. Sambamurthi, Peggy Holoyde - they don't talk of "Hadidasa movement" or its "foundational" influence as implied here in this article. Can you give a quote of who exactly gave the title of Karnataka Sangeeta Pitamaha to Purandara Dasa? Please provide a citation of how and when he got this title. After all it is well known that there were musicians who had more advanced accomplishemts like Annamacarya. For example:Emmie te Nijenhuis (in her book Indian Music, page 100) says, "According to Sambamoorthy the kriti developed out of the older kirtanas composed by Tallapakam composer Annamacarya (1408-1503)..". Note that he is earlier than Purandara Dasa. Further note that Muthu Thandavar, a contemperory of Purandaradasa, was singing Kritis at the time Purandara Dasa was singing far simpler Devarnamas or Namasangirtanas (nowhere near the Kritis, a more advanced form of Carnatic music). Just because out of respect if some people called Purandara Dasa as one of the early muscians, it is ridiculous to claim that "The Haridasa movement developed the Carnatic music tradition as a distinct art form" Excepting some writers from Karnataka, none of the well-known scholars even take cognizance of Haridasas, leave alone claiming that they founded or developed the carnatic music.

Even the article on Purandara Dasa says, "Purandara Dasa (1484 – 1564) (Kannada: ಪುರಂದರ ದಾಸ) is one of the most prominent composers in Carnatic music. (bold mine). Carnatic music developed and evolved in Tamil Nadu. Of course, there were muscians in Travancore, Mysore and many other centres of influnce. Don't give undue importance to Haridas, at least in the matter of Carnatic music. And not in Bhakti movement. Keep in mind WP:UNDUE

Please do not remove tags unless there is a consensus.

--Aadal (talk) 23:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)