Talk:Harold Pinter and academia

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 * Fixed the problem and removed the template. The article section in which the image appears had been split off from the main article: see Harold Pinter and Harold Pinter and academia, where the image appears.  That section used to be part of Harold Pinter.  Thanks for heads up. --NYScholar 00:08, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Reference #5
may be better for reference #5 which doesn't actually support the statement to which it is appended. Jezhotwells (talk) 12:35, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

The Pinter Centre for Performance and Creative Writing
The last clause of the first sentence of this looks like a clear cut case of copyright violation.

The whole thing should be correctly cited using inline citations.

There are no references on the Goldsmiths' web site to the 3 conferences mentioned. These need referencing.

There are no references to the forthcoming three conferences exploring the use of fractured narrative.

The last sentence, The Pinter Centre plans to sponsor additional conferences in the future, "including one on Black British Drama and a major conference ... to be entitled, 'Pinter, Postmodernism and Contemporary Writing'," which is "the first of three conferences exploring the use of fractured narrative, and its links with intercultural and political change": "In line with Pinter's keen awareness of the centrality of political issues, the Centre is particularly committed to looking at postcolonial and diasporic literature and performance, and the ways in which contemporary creativity is forging new forms that respond to the cultural diversity of the world in which we live. It also has a strong interest in questions of gender, and writing and performing the body." is frankly quite appalling. That is ungrammatical, obtuse and impenetrable.

I have placed some tags, but frankly there is too much irrelevant detail here. Jezhotwells (talk) 11:51, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * It really is not good enough to place statements that the information used to be there. Either reference it or remove it, well actually the uncited statements have been removed following Jimmy Wales' dictum. I have also rendered the final sentence into plain English. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 23:34, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

The Harold Pinter Society
I have placed an unreferenced tag as this needs referencing. Jezhotwells (talk) 12:02, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Removed passage previously verified
"It has planned three conferences, 'one on the work of Stephen Sondheim, and another on African Women Playwrights.' Its third conference, Ravenhill 10, was a symposium on the occasion of the 10th anniversary of the first production of Mark Ravenhill's play Shopping and Fucking (11–12 Nov. 2006). The Pinter Centre plans to sponsor additional conferences in the future, 'including one on Black British Drama and a major conference ... to be entitled, 'Pinter, Postmodernism and Contemporary Writing',' which is 'the first of three conferences exploring the use of fractured narrative, and its links with intercultural and political change':"

The quotations and facts appeared on earlier versions of the Pinter Centre's official website and they were verified when they were added. If they are not archived, that doesn't mean that the information was not verified when it was added to the article. When I have more time, I will see if I can find my original edit from the edit history. This information appears elsewhere on the internet, and may be verified via another reference. I don't know yet if it is accessible via the Internet Archive. When the Pinter Centre updated its website, it updated its events page. The current director of the Pinter Centre also sent information about the conference on "Pinter, Postmodernism and Contemporary Writing" via e-mail, but it is not necessarily public knowledge and the date of the event was moved from its original schedule to a later time. Some of the conferences may be being rescheduled due to Pinter's death. Please consult the cited "In Memorium: Harold Pinter" page from the Pinter Centre, posted and cited in the Bibliography for Harold Pinter. If one wants further information about the past and future conferences from the Pinter Centre, one can contact it through its contact information, listed online. Symposiums and conferences already held are matters of public record. --NYScholar (talk) 23:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Anything that has already happened and can be verified should be referenced correctly, otherwise it will be removed as per Jimmy Wales. It really is not good enough to state that If one wants further information about the past and future conferences from the Pinter Centre, one can contact it through its contact information. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:29, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The removed material has been in this article since I created it, on 1 October 2007, when the information appeared on the official website of the Pinter Centre: 161675261. Recently, I added the Pinter Centre website to the EL section.  When information is from an official site of the subject of the section, that is the source.  I saw this information with my own eyes on the website in October 2007, where it remained until the website was update.  It is verified information. It should not be necessary to provide a link to it, as the quotation was verified at the time.  (The current director is Robert Gordon).  [....]  The past conferences may also be discussed in some news articles. --NYScholar (talk) 00:03, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia needs verifiable reliable sources. You may well have seen the information, you may well have an email, but until something is verified it has no place in Wikipedia. Please read and understand what Verifiability means. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:29, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Here is information about the conference/symposium Ravenhill 10, as an example: Ravenhill 10. I'll post other links for further verification if/when/after I find them. --NYScholar (talk) 00:05, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This link is already included (and has been for some time) in the EL section of Mark Ravenhill. See "Ravenhill 10" there. --NYScholar (talk) 00:08, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Here is information about the conference/symposium on Stephen Sondheim (see blockquote what it relates to), as another example previously given: I've now added it also to the EL section of the Stephen Sondheim article: Stephen Sondheim symposium held at Goldsmiths, University of London, in 2005. Like the other earlier conferences/symposiums organized by the Pinter Centre, this information was once listed on the organization's official site. --NYScholar (talk) 00:17, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note that the convenor of that conference is now the director of the Pinter Centre. The full schedule is still accessible from the link just given.  These links were and are all hosted by the Goldsmiths, University of London server; as such they are official sites verifying the information.  The Pinter Centre listing in the current EL section of this Wikipedia article enables one to go to the home page of Goldsmiths and to access its site. --NYScholar (talk) 00:20, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And here is a pdf description from Goldsmiths, University of London, with the history of the Pinter Centre: Goldsmiths: The Pinter Centre for Peformance and Creative Writing (page 3). --NYScholar (talk) 00:35, 25 April 2009 (UTC) [added this to the article later; see my updated comment just below. --NYScholar (talk) 01:41, 25 April 2009 (UTC)]
 * (ec) I've provided the sources (as I had already done when listing the official website and as I had already verified them in October 2007). If the editor who removed the passage has the time, since the sources clearly document the passage, s/he can add the sources. I don't have time to add [all of] these references right now; I have to work on my own research projects mostly offline. --NYScholar (talk) 00:35, 25 April 2009 (UTC). [I've added some, so as to document fully what is currently in the article. --NYScholar (talk) 01:32, 25 April 2009 (UTC)]


 * Fine, might I suggest that you put the references in the article. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:29, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

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