Talk:Harry F. Byrd Jr.

contradiction!
"Harry F. Byrd is of no relation to Robert Byrd, a U.S. Senator from West Virginia."

"son of Harry F. Byrd, Sr."

Harry Byrd

can someone please fix this? provide citations as well. thanks. dposse 23:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * you're wrong harry byrd sr and robert byrd are different people. no contradiction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.181.255.57 (talk • contribs)


 * Would you mind explaining yourself please? dposse 03:26, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The article you reference (Harry Byrd) does not contradict the statement you claim it does. Im fact, it explicitly confirms the statement. Harry Flood Byrd, Sr. is not Robert Carlyle Byrd and they are no relation. I'm removing the contradiction tag. 63.166.224.67 03:54, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Second-oldest Senator of all time?
I'm relatively certain that Harry F. Byrd, Jr., has now lived to the second-oldest age ever attained by anyone to have served in the U.S. Senate, exceeded only by Strom Thurmond. However, the only proof I would propose to have for this would be the "biographical directory" of the U.S. Congress, and its providing of dates of birth. There is no "trivia" or similar section so the only way that this could be proven by this resource would be for one to read the biography of ever single former senator, which isn't either practicable or citable. Does anyone have a reliable published source with which to confirm this putative fact so that it would merit inclusion? I believe it to be encyclopedic in nature if it can be confirmed by a source. 75.200.109.125 (talk) 02:24, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Material from Byrd Jr.'s father entry copied to his entry
The text in this entry that begins, "Education was not on his agenda..." and continues to the end of that paragraph is copied verbatim from the wikipedia entry for Byrd Jr.'s father, Harry F. Byrd (2nd to last graf in the "Virginia politics" section), including the dummy "4" citation link. Frankly, the two sentences before the copied text that read, "Byrd was a staunch racist and viciously fought desegregation. Byrd considered his fight against desegregation as one of his life's battles although unpopular with many who knew him.", also sounds much more like his father, and at the very least deserves a citation. Regardless of the fate of that line, however, the material copied from his father's entry should be removed from Byrd Jr.'s entry. 38.100.29.7 (talk) 17:57, 30 July 2013 (UTC) C. Caston Jarvis
 * I am moving the language here (it follows) until it can be sourced as applying to HFB Jr.: Education was not on his agenda, and state spending for public schools remained very low until the 1960s.Hoppyh (talk) 02:38, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Byrd Had Hired No African-American Reporter until 2000
I have removed this statement from the retirement section, as it has no source supporting it.Hoppyh (talk) 01:58, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Legislation on Rhodesia
I have moved the following text here: query - is it sufficiently notable for this encyclopedic article? In 1971, Byrd proposed a bill to allow the importation of various metals from Rhodesia, contradicting the position of the President and the United Nations Security Council that forbade most forms of trade or financial exchange with Rhodesia, which had a white-controlled government. The bill passed, and the 1971 Byrd Amendment allowed Rhodesia to trade with the U.S. in spite of these sanctions until it was repealed in 1977. Hoppyh (talk) 21:29, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

More work needed
I cleaned this up a little last week while this laptop was having update problems. I was able to briefly look at both cited books, and noticed the Hatch book really barely discussed Young Harry, ending basically with his father's death. I have other responsibilities and don't know when or if I'll be able to get back to this. I also wanted to note that I got a disambiguation link notice and corrected that problem, but could not find another technical issue DABsolver noted, that some link on this page refers to itself.Jweaver28 (talk) 16:48, 16 October 2017 (UTC) Also, I note the previous entry includes footnotes which no-one tried to include in the article's text, but which somehow appeared after my comment here, instead of with that four-year old suggestion.Jweaver28 (talk) 16:50, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 24 December 2017

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure)  sami  talk 23:37, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

During their political careers heading into this day, "Harry Byrd" is the common name for both the elder and younger senators.
 * Harry F. Byrd Jr. → Harry Byrd Jr.
 * Harry F. Byrd → Harry Byrd Sr.
 * An article in the November 27, 1944 issue of Time magazine is titled "That Wastrel, Harry Byrd."
 * Nine years earlier, the cover of the May 13, 1935 issue used his full name as a caption.
 * The cover of the August 17, 1962 Time has a caption: "Virginia's Senator Harry Byrd." The accompanying article uses both first-middle-last and first-last names for him.
 * Once the younger Byrd became senator, Time began using "Harry Byrd Sr." as in this March 30, 1970 article.

Upon the younger Byrd's passing in 2013, sources that used "Harry Byrd Jr." in their obits included Reuters, The Washington Post (within the article, while using "Harry F. Byrd Jr." in the headline) , and the Associated Press. Arbor to SJ (talk) 05:01, 24 December 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Mahveotm (talk) 06:56, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The New York Times, Politico, and the Los Angeles Times all use the middle initial in their memorials of Byrd Jr. As for WaPo, wouldn't what's used in the headline be a better indication of WP:COMMONNAME? A Google search for "Harry F. Byrd" yields nearly 70% more results than one for "Harry Byrd." While the latter is used frequently and may have been more common at different points due to WP:RECENTISM, I'm not convinced a change would be appropriate. As for the addition of the suffix, Sr. more than meets the criteria for WP:PRIMARYTOPIC at Harry Byrd. Use of "Sr." while Jr. was a sitting senator would also be recentism. Rockhead126 (talk) 01:21, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose for the father. The sources I used when editing the father's article, including Dollars for Dixie, Politics on a Human Scale and a 1944 NYT report used the full "Harry F. Byrd", at least at the first mention. "Harry F. Byrd Sr." is seen far less frequently than "Harry F. Byrd Jr.", so I would agree with Rockhead126 that the disambiguator should not be used for the father. I have no knowledge of the son and therefore no opinion on his article's title. Scolaire (talk) 17:38, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Reply: The New York Times almost always uses middle initials in its political reporting. The 1944 Time magazine article provided omitted his middle initial, and the 1991 book Lone Star Rising: Lyndon Johnson and His Times by Robert Dallek used "Harry Byrd" more often in the text than "Harry F. Byrd". Arbor to SJ (talk) 18:23, 30 December 2017 (UTC)


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