Talk:Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (film)/Archive 1

Weird Sisters Lawsuit
This sounds like some no-names trying to get rich off of someone else's hard work. If anyone should be suing it should be Trent Reznor for them ripping him off with the character of Snape. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.87.86.50 (talk) 22:08, 14 January 2008 (UTC) <--http://www.imdb.com/rg/VIDEO_PLAY/LINK//video/screenplay/vi2611740953/-->

Unadjusted 11th highest grossing film of all time
The part that says that this is the 11th highest grossing film of all time should mention that it is, only if it's unadjusted for inflation. Really, saying this is the 11th highest grossing film of all time is like saying a Zimbabwean with a trillion Zimbabwe dollars is the richest person in the world- superficially true, but meaningless, since one American dollar is worth millions of Zimbabwean dollars.Bob bobato (talk) 19:50, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Quote
Did he actually say this?

When asked about the scene, Radcliffe replied, "Hey, I'm growing up. I was fifteen when I filmed that scene, and hell, Harry's fourteen now. It's quite common for guys our age to have underarm hair or to work out."[9]

The article cited is this one, but in the article there's no mention of it. I did a google search for the quote, and the only result is this Wikipedia page.

I'm thinking he didn't say it? 118.100.139.89 (talk) 02:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)Michael

Complaints
i know this is rude, but can you all stop complaining about this article, and just change it if you have to?

Most Expensive
"It is said to be the most expensive film to date." Does that mean the most expensive of the four HP movies, or the most expensive movie ever made? And can we possibly get a cite for that? MrItty 15:42, 30 May 2005 (UTC) Response:Most expensive ever made.
 * My vote is most expensive HP movie. EvilPhoenix 03:56, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

According to Box Office Mojo, the film has a production budget of $150 million. Quite a big budget, that's for sure, but not enough to be "the most expensive ever".

The most expensive film to date is King Kong (2005) with over $200,000,000.00 If anybody is reading this, please change the article where it says is the most expensive movie.

PG-13
Where did the PG-13 rating come from. I haven't seen any news of it and the site (gobletoffire.com) stills says "Not rated." Am I missing something?
 * As a matter of fact, you ARE missing something: Go to the IMDB message board for Harry Potter 4 and see for yourself. --User:Ryanasaurus0077
 * Maybe the site didn't get word of the PG-13 rating yet. --208.183.105.11 13:59, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Even Mugglenet discussed it back in August ewe2

Get rid of the international thing. In England the 3rd one was a 12 as well.

Actually the third film was PG in the UK according to the spine on the DVD and Blu-Ray Disc covers. The fourth film was the first Harry Potter film to get a 12 certificate (rating).(Tk420 (talk) 17:33, 8 March 2008 (UTC))

Cho Chang
"'Recently, certain fans had been complaining about the casting of an Asian actor for the role of Cho Chang in the fourth Harry Potter film, even though Cho Chang is an Asian character.'" that doesn't make any sense at all... could someone explain? Xunflash 02:12, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's ever stated that Cho is asian, but I am fairly certain she is. Maybe these losers were too thick to realize that the name is asian. Probably just some racist biggots though. Maybe a mix of both. You would think harry potter fans would be the last people to be racist, with the uber-obvious blood-race allusion running throughout the book. Also, perhaps they were merely complaining about that one particular actress. I do think someone should look into it.

I cannot believe people are complaining about the casting for Chang. What the hell? I've spent 3 hours trying to find information on this but to no avail. Just a bunch of annoying weirdo fans who are angry at Cho for "breaking" Harry's heart. The same fans who write horrid slash fiction in which Draco and Potter making out...

Well with Cho being Asian, if I recall one of the drawings at the beginning of a chapter in the Order of the Phoenix show an Asian girl sitting across from Harry at a table. I think the chapter is in the teens, but I don't remember its name.Cornince 05:03, 12 October 2005 (UTC)


 * The actress who play Cho is actually from Motherwell, North Lanarkshire. the second Glaswegian to be in a Harry Potter movie (Oliver Wood was the other one).

I still could have want another actress for the role. Heart Evangelista from the Philippines? hehe... Katie Leung is sp "forgettable" (and i said that since I had known she is the one playing Cho) until now....

Ratings again
Cut from intro:


 * These ratings have raised some controversy due to the fact that many Harry Potter fans are under the ages of 12 and 13.

If by "raised some controversy" you mean that SOMEBODY has objected to the ratings, then say so. You might try:


 * Storms of protest erupted over the PG-13 rating, which frantic fans feard would dissuade parents from allowing children under the ages of 12 and 13 from watching the movie; or,
 * Many critics felt that the ratings were unjustified, as there is certainly nothing in the BOOK which would be harmful for young children to read.

You see, if there as a "controversy", that means a dispute between two or more different points of view.

If it's just one group protesting something, then please identify that group. Uncle Ed 00:43, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

There were reports in August 2005 when the rating came out that Warners were surprised and considered challenging the rating. There was some discussion of this on the Harry Potter mailing-lists and several Potter-related sites. However, in November, Warners strongly marketed the PG-13 rating saying it had been their intention all along. Any controversy stemmed from WB's initial opposition to the rating, not from Potter fans. ewe2

Trivia section
There was a thriving trivia section for this page and it was blanked in what looks like a vandalism edit. If it should be here, could someone restore it? Ke6jjj 22:48, 7 November 2005 (UTC)


 * It appears to have been restored. Thanks! Ke6jjj 01:19, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

The trivia entry shouldn't even be there... "Moody says that several Voldlemort followers claimed to be under the Imperius curse and asked how the liars could be sorted out. I would try Veritaserum" How is that encyclopedic? It's some superfan's opinion of what they would have done if they were in the story. This crap needs to be removed.

Release Dates
I believe that the dates given in the article are press-preview release dates. The Wide-Release date for this movie is still 11/18/2005. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 16:47, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Hermione
Some anonymous IP has added that "Hermione combed her hair in the movie; but rather in the book, she used a potion". I very much doubt that this is true due to the fact that it has not yet been released. I have just use the �UNIQ182323b85559488a-nowiki-31c5a5825ef9307f00000001

UK Rating doesn't count now?
Both ForestH2 and Carl.bunderson removed the BBFC rating, with Carl saying "adding UK rating is a slippery slope--see talk". I don't SEE anything regarding that on talk, so now I'm talking

Well, this is the English Wikipedia, not American, English. This is a film based in Britain and rife with British actors. So why exactly is the American rating more important than the British rating?

Personally I think neither should be in the opening few paragraphs, but both should be shown otherwise. And if for some reason only one can be shown, I fail to see why it should be the American one. I'm going to add back in the BBFC rating on no reply--Cyberdude93 08:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * They should both go from the intro - neither is a significant summary of the whole topic, more a side-point that could be mentioned in a later section. Adding only the American rating is fairly blatant Americocentrism. Just my opinion, of course. Z iggurat 09:20, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Apparantly someone deleted my addition to the talk page, but here it is again: I argue that we shouldn't include the UK rating for 2 reasons. First, if we do, then who's to say we shouldn't include the rating in every other country? This would be too bulky. Each film should include only one country's rating. WikiProject Films should decide this, but I'd say it should either be the US or the film's country of origin. I couldn't find a policy like this, but maybe its out there. Secondly, if persons do want to know the rating in other places, then they can go to the IMDB link at the bottom of the page, where all these are listed. Carl.bunderson 06:22, 31 May 2006 (UTC) I'm by no means Americancentric [I'm rather an Anglophile], but I do think that pragmatically, if we include any ratings, it should be American or British. But Ziggurat's argument that neither should be in the intro is probly the best idea. Carl.bunderson 20:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * By the way, Cyberdude93, looking at the history for this page I see you deleted the better part of it on your first edit, which included deleting my comments that I've had to repost just now. Carl.bunderson 21:02, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd be inclined to suggest that if the ratings are worth including, it's worth including as many major ones as possible (English, American, Japanese, German perhaps), but given that this film is such a collaborative English-American effort it's certainly worth talking about both. I'd like to think that I can be objective on this, as I don't think my own country's ratings are important enough to be mentioned! Z iggurat 21:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I had a look at the edit, and honest to god I only made one edit O_o. The previous editions of the page just ended with the Hermione section to me (while the source differs).  I blame someone messing up the page.--Cyberdude93 22:59, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * On the ratings front, like I said, personally I'd include no ratings in the paragraph (I'd rather like them in the infobox like with games, but meh, not my decision). Personally, if I were to define a policy for this, I'd say the US AND country of origin.  I do realise that is a bit Americancentric in itself, but including all the ratings is bulky, and just about everyone understands the MPAA system by now.  The thing is, I think with a British movie made from a British book looked at by the British Board of Film Classification, the UK rating should have at least a mention.--Cyberdude93 22:59, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry Cyberdude, I must have looked at the edits incorrectly; I apologise for any ill-will. I think including the American rating is pragmatic [making the assumption that most movie-watchers are American] but that country of origin actually makes more sense. So maybe we should include the rating in only the country of origin? My only concern is that these don't get too bulky, esp since all the ratings can be found in IMDB Carl.bunderson 05:02, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Plot Problems
I brought this up on the Prisoner of Azkaban discussion page as well. The plot size for this article is violating the standard summary for Wikipedia. The way to remedy this is merging the Plot and the Summary sections, and having about two paragraphs briefly detailing the main points of the story. If no one replies, or we all agree, I'll go ahead and make the changes. I want to make sure no one has a problem with it. - Raditzu 02:15, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Fine with me. We need a little bit about the plot and the summary at least. ForestH2 not logged in. ForestH2

What's the deal with all of these revertions to the long plot? - Raditzu 20:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Hpfan1 doesn't look at his talkpage and he still wants the plot to be long-doesn't understand violations. Tree  bark  ( talk ) 15:39, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Useless Trivia
The trivia that reads "The fake Mad-Eye Moody and the real Barty Crouch Jr. always licks his lips. This is a hint that they are the same person. In one scene, after fake Moody licks his lips, Barty Crouch Sr. stares at him, realising that this is his son, so Barty Crouch Jr. kills him shortly after his discovery." doesn't seem like it should be there. It's not a "fun fact" about the movie production...it's merely a part of the story, seems more like a plot point than anything else. Besides, most people would have been able to figure it out anyway, and trivia is supposed to be things that not everyone would know....it's not the kind of "behind the scenes" trivia that should be in that sort of section. I think it should be removed, but before I delete it, I'd like to see if anyone agrees/disagrees that this is out of place. --Scotsworth 21:23, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That was ONLY in the movie and not the book, so it should be referenced in some manner, though it is a bit awkward as is... Michael 03:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm just wondering if this would be considered useless trivia or not: if you listen to the music in the Yule ball scene, watch when Moody takes a swig from his flask, it seems in sync with the music.

I think the current trivia entry is just freaking stupid. It's just the opinion of some fanboy regarding what he'd do if he were in the story. -SpACatta

Snape
From the Reaction section: "While fans enjoy Alan Rickman's portrayal as Snape, there are complaints that he didn't have enough screen time..."

The people lodging this complaint either didn't read the book or have forgotten it. Snape played a much smaller part in the book as well, so it follows that his screen time would be reduced too. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 00:50, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * That's a fan problem; it does not belong here. Michael 03:09, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Film of the Quidditch World Cup Game
There should be a film - perhaps computer-animated - of the Big Game between Ireland and Bulgaria. Das Baz 19:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * What is the relevance of this? Michael 03:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

The Ireland-Bulgaria match is a favorite part of the book, but is totally missing from the movie. There is a need that should be filled.Das Baz 20:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Criticism
Who are the critics that disliked the film because it was "jerky and confusing?"Ohyeahmormons 03:17, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Trivia
This article had a ton of trivia which I am moving here for relocation into the prose of the article. Some of it should go, some of it is important, some of it is cool but not worthy in the article. I'm just putting it here until it finds a new home… whether it's in the trash or the article. Most of this is unreferenced, too, so it may not be suitable. Additionally, the article is broken into way too many sections; can't it be condensed or broken into subsections? That TOC is a huge pain to my eyes! --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 23:05, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

 * The producers first talked about filming the movie in two parts with a six month separation between them such as The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions. This idea was later overthrown when Alfonso Cuarón, who directed the third Potter film, complained about the difficulties in producing two big-budget films in such a short amount of time.


 * The Death Eaters' uniforms are remniscient to the uniforms of the KKK, the only apparent difference being that the Death Eaters' robes are black while that of the KKK is white. This could have been intentional since, in the book, the Death Eaters' goal is to eliminate those seen as "impure" and to promote a pure-blooded race of wizards free of contamination from Muggle elements who are viewed as belonging to an inferior breed.


 * This film is the first Harry Potter film to be rated PG-13 by the MPAA. Rating in other countries were: 12A in the UK, 12 in the Netherlands, M in Australia and PG in Canada.


 * The "spider" Mad-Eye Moody demonstrates the curses on is a Tailless Whip Scorpion.


 * British contortionist Richard Rosson was hired to play the Death Eater named Avery. He shot scenes in which Avery suffers torture, but they were cut from the final cinematic edit.


 * The song Hermione and Hagrid sing as Harry finds Crouch's dead body is the Hogwarts school song.


 * The names on the graves in the graveyard scene are of the crew of the movie, in order to avoid legal issues with other names.


 * Before being offered this film, Mike Newell was set to direct The Constant Gardener. Coincidentally, that film also stars Ralph Fiennes.


 * Mike Newell is the first British director in the film series, having been preceeded by American Chris Columbus and Mexican Alfonso Cuarón.


 * Gary Oldman and Ralph Fiennes have both played villains in the Hannibal Lecter films. Oldman played Mason Verger in Hannibal, and Fiennes played Francis Dolarhyde in Red Dragon.


 * The band playing in the Maze grandstand scenes is composed of young musicians from the Aylesbury Music Centre in the UK. However, the music itself is dubbed, as the band were playing "magical" instruments. Despite a drum being played on the screen, percussion is notably absent from the audio track.


 * At the end of the credits you can read the sentence "No dragons were harmed in the making of this movie".


 * To play Voldemort, a large majority of Ralph Fiennes' facial features (most noticably his nose) were digitally altered in post production. To help the visual effects team, Fiennes had coloured dots painted onto his face during principal photography.


 * After Harry escapes from the graveyard at the end of the film, he announces that Lord Voldemort killed Cedric. This is untrue, Voldemort was weak and ordered Wormtail, who was holding him, to kill Cedric, which he did.


 * When Harry and the others are at the Quidditch World Cup, when Amos and Cedric Diggory split from Mr. Weasley and the others, Amos Diggory tells Mr. Weasley that it is "the parting of the ways", the title of chapter thirty-six in the book.


 * The scene with Professor McGonagall teaching Ron to dance was never in the book.


 * This film went through a total of 12 script drafts.


 * This is the first film in which Harry's relatives, the Dursleys, do not appear.


 * The character of Nigel was created for the movie and does not appear in any of the novels.


 * This film is the first film where Hermione Granger is at the Weasleys' house.


 * Dobby and Winky the house-elves make a cameo appearance in the film during the Quidditch World Cup, right after Ginny says "Look!" They are riding a camel-pulled cart right in front of the screen, but it is too quick to see.


 * It is commonly regarded as a mistake when Durmstrang is said to be in the North, while Bulgaria is in the South. However, a student does not have to live in the same country as the school, as Draco Malfoy boasts in the Goblet of Fire book that his father considered sending him to Durmstrang.


 * The Hungarian Horntail dragon breathes fire in the same manner as the dragons of Reign of Fire. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.145.226 (talk) 06:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Uncited/disputed pocket watch symbol
I've removed a uncited and disputed point from the "Cultural references" section:
 * The face of Moody's pocket watch has a picture of a biohazard symbol, an homage to Gleeson's role as Frank in 28 Days Later This is not true the symbol is The emblem of Diane de Poitiers, three interlaced crescents with a eye in the middle also named Triple Goddess that is a Pagan symbol.

(By the way, if you find an error, it's better to mention the problem on the talk page or just fix it rather than adding self-contradictory comments to the article.) --Mrwojo 16:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Error section
Padma Patil walked with her sister Parvati through the Gryffindor common room, but Padma is a Ravenclaw.

The movie has many differences between the book. I think that this was a deliberate adjustment, therefore not an error, and should be removed from the error section.

There is a scene when Harry received a letter from Sirius Black that Sirius Black want to meet him in Gryffindor's common room. The mistake is when the letter clearly shows that at the last paragraph of the letter it is written "By the way, the bird bites" which is different from Sirius Black voiceover which says "P.S, the bird bites."

I don't think this fact is worth mentioning in an encyclopedia;]

I am strongly for the removal of the section errors. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.13.235.114 (talk) 19:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

I agree. Natrually when you adapt a book to a film you take some creative liberties to make the story go more naturally one way or the other. --ShortShadow 04:27, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Blu-ray
The DVD section in the article mentions that the HP series is coming to HD-DVD; It should also mention that the movies are being released on Blu-Ray disc as well. http://www.eyecravedvd.com/article.php?story=2007010822450960 Super Saiyan Musashi 00:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Patil Twins
I changed "Ron and Harry find it hard to get dates to the ball, but finally get the Pavati twins the join them." to "Ron and Harry find it hard to get dates to the ball, but finally get the Patil twins to join them." since Pavati (misspelling of Parvati) only refers to the twin that went with Harry while Patil is the last name the twins both share. :) Fluffybun 16:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Mr. ollivander
Go to the cast section of this film on veritaserum. you will see mr. ollivander's name on it. why is he on there when he isn't in the film? explain this please —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.150.169.245 (talk) 03:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi. i haven't got an answer yet. do you know why he's on the cast list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.53.220.46 (talk) 16:08, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not affiliated with Veritaserum, and this is not a forum. Thus your questions should be directed elsewhere. Thanks. Andrea (talk) 22:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Plot summary
The entire plot summary has been written as if the reader knows everything that has taken place previously. How is the reader of an encyclopedia (a person who is looking for information because they don't know it already) supposed to know about Voldemort, the Death Eaters and Firebolts? No, one does not expect that a reader will click on about a hundred wiki references to find out what everything is. This is tedious and ridiculous. I'm going to have a go at simplyfing this. Before you come along and stick all the hard bits back in, think about yourself as if you were your old Auntie Flossie, reading it for the first time. Amandajm (talk) 14:56, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * See Lord Voldemort, Death Eater and Magical objects in Harry Potter. After all, WP is a resource and if someone doesn't know what it is, they should search for it. BOVINEBOY 2008 16:24, 16 July 2009 (UTC)