Talk:Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (film)/Archive 2

Grint
In this link dailyrecord.co.uk are claiming Rupert Grint has been signed up for the HBP movie. Does that constitute a suitable source (or one that is indeed credible enough) ? 61.69.60.238 15:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

the entire trio is signed on for the rest of the movies —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.118.144.236 (talk) 19:04, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Watson
BBC Newsround reported a while ago that Emma Watson would take each film step by step. Do we put that in the Expressed Interest in Returning category? The section header is off as Afshan Azad does not Express interest in returning, so maybe we do move Watson to expressed interest. ForestH2 (discuss

IMDB Sources
Any sources from any other websites reportying that David Heyman will produce the film and that Christian Coulson is In Negoitations should replace the IMDB sources as they don't list sources, though they are good enough for now. ForestH2 (discuss

Forest, I'm sorry, I'm just checking in really fast from my trip, but IMDb is just like Wikipedia. It is edited by people, not sources. Anybody can go and say that somebody will be in any movie. Most of the time the vandalism is caught before the page is published (it's not instant), but for a new movie, it's very likely the information could be inaccurate. For this film, please know that casting has not begun. Filming is still going on for OoP, David Heyman said himself (somewhere, don't have the time to look), that they have not started to cast anybody. I'm not going to revert anything, but nobody is in negotiations. Sorry if I don't reply immediately, as you know I'm on vacation and quite erratic at the moment. --Fbv65 e del / &#9745;t / &#9755;c || 07:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know that you and Foxearth seem to have a reason for not citing IMDB. I tagged the Prisoner of Azkaban Differences because it was mainly about some other film. On the other hand, a lot of people think IMDB can actully cite sources. For example me and Evilphoenx both think so. I'm going to revert Zetawoof's verison now. ForestH2 | + | √ | -
 * And where does it say that nobody has been casted in this film? ForestH2 | + | √ | -
 * Given that the OotP movie isn't expected to be out for another year or so, it's unlikely that much has been done toward getting started on the HBP film. Zetawoof(&zeta;) 00:51, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Correct...though Muggle Net and IMDB are reporting this. Obviously, they haven't chosen a director yet but then David Heyman's going to produce this film and Steve Kloves will do the Screenplay and it is highly likely David Barron going to "Execuite Produce" the film. Also, it is likely Dan, Rupert and Emma will return. ForestH2 | + | √ | -
 * What's "likely" and what's known are two very different things, though. One isn't verifiable; the other is. Zetawoof(&zeta;) 01:34, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * For example it's known, David Heyman's going to produce the film and that Steve Kloves will do the screenplay. Your right though, known and likely are two different words. ForestH2 | + | √ | -

Protection
This page has been protected since April. It's time that it is unprotected due to the protection policy. Protected pages are only supposed to be protected for a few days. This one has been protected for two months. I am going to request unprotection. ForestH2 | + | √ | - 18:32, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Release Date
The release date of Nov 21 2008 is a tentative target date - even if it is "confirmed" as such by Warner Brothers - it is a TARGET date. Who knows what sort of production delays and national or global emergencies might preclude that particular release date. All we can say at this point is that the date is a target - and practically 2.5 years out! --T-dot 01:39, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course. By confirmed I was noting the difference between Joe's Harry Potter Fan Site noting that date, and Warner Bros. "confirming" the date. --Fbv65 e del / &#9745;t / &#9755;c || 04:01, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I understand. I agree that a direct link to a press release or other information sourced from Warner Brothers is much more authoritative that the innumerable fan sites and blog pages.  I would expect that the Harry Potter franchise is powerful enough to lobby for an "exclusive" release to theatres on or before Thanksgiving Week (US) leading into the Christmas holidays - much as they did with HP1 (Nov 16 '01), HP2 (Nov 15 '02), and HP4 (Nov 18 '05).  So HP6 (Nov 21 '08) is not unrealistic by any means, it seems to be "on pace" and that time frame makes sense, especially in America if WB is looking for another record box office smash in the first week of release.  It appears that HP3 (Jun 4 '04) and HP5 (Jul 13 '07 target) are the "outliers", and at this pacing we might expect HP7 to be released sometime around mid-July of '10.  Of course the original actors in HP's "class year" will be 21-ish by then, while playing 17 year-olds.


 * In any case i propose that we "label" all these future release dates as target or planned or tentative, with a link to an authoritative source as close as possible to WB - as opposed to what some reporter / investigator dug up in a search through WB records or whatever. I distinctly recall occasions where even the teasers and trailers released to movie theatres just six months in advance of the release had the date all wrong, due to last minute editing, refilming scenes, and screening adjustments.  Many of them now just say something like "Summer 2007" or "November 2008", rather than applying a specific date ... and these are the way i think the Wikipedia should present the release dates as well.  We seem to keep forgetting that the Wikipedia is supposed to be an authoritative reference of encyclopedic information - with content that stands the test of time.  The fan sites and blog pages are filled with breathless revelations of the latest gossip, rumors, speculation, wild guesses, and information acquired from "insiders" - many times it seems like there is a competition among the fanatics to be the first to post such info on the Wikipedia, regardless of the quality or sourcing of the information.  This corrupts the whole Wikipedia, as was discussed at Wikimania 2006 .  --T-dot 14:45, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I completely understand your argument there. I remember the GoF trailer, when we knew November 18, and it said "2005" and that was it. So, my vote is for "target," or even "confirmed target," as that to me suggests the official announced date, while subject to change. --Fbv65 e del / &#9745;t / &#9755;c || 21:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Possible reprises — Hermione Granger
"It is possible that... these characters, who appeared in the book, will not be written into the screenplay."

I can see why this is written into the article with way, but I think that the chance of Hermione not being written into the screenplay is pretty close to zero. ;) — Jeremy Banks Talk  04:01, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * lol. It'd be pretty interesting to see the climactic tower scene played out without either Dumbledore or Snape being in the movie either, I've gotta say. ;-) Yeah, those top three characters at least are pretty certainly in the movie, whether the actors return or not. But still a good disclaimer, since it is pretty much crystal-ballery as it is, that at least makes it a seem a bit less "predictive". --Maelwys 11:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The article fully says, "The following list of actors have not said anything about continuing their role in Half-Blood Prince. It is possible that any of these expected actors will not return in their role, or that these characters, who appeared in the book, will not be written into the screenplay." Thus, I'd say Hermione's not to the top section because Emma Watson hasn't confirmed anything yet. --Fbv65 e del / &#9745;t / &#9755;c || 12:31, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I know. I said I understood why it was there, I just thought it was funny. :P (If I thought it made no sense at all, I'd have removed it.) — Jeremy Banks Talk  20:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hehe, sorry, I am really good at seeing through jokes (especially when they're written!). :-) Just clarifyign for anybody else following the discussion… --Fbv65 e del / &#9745;t / &#9755;c || 00:37, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

What about denoting key characters in some way. There are a number of characters whose absence would create significant deviation from the plot of the book.
 * This is an issue of judgment. Simply directing readers to the book article is sufficient. We always put Harry, Ron and Hermione on the top since they are the three protagonists; everybody else, from Crabbe and Goyle to Dumbledore, are tied for second. We can, of course, dicuss this, but I think it works fine as it is. --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 01:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Cutting to the Bone

 * I'm sorry, but who just shredded this article? It was better the way it was, in my opinion; no offense intended. George &quot;Skrooball&quot; Reeves 23:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Skrooball, I completely agree with everything you've said, except in your edit summary where you wrote, "This article is for speculation." Wikipedis is not for speculation. In the article is information based on the book and comments from actors, but it is important we keep out speculatory remarks, such as, "Emma Watson is most likely to return, because it would be silly to drop out now" or "Alan Rickman will almost definitely return as he has been in all the films and his character is most importat in this one," or things of that nature. :) --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 01:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry, Fbv65edel; no faux pas intended. My mistake. :-P George &quot;Skrooball&quot; Reeves 04:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. Just wanted to make sure you knew of WP:NOT. --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 04:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, alright. Thanks! George &quot;Skrooball&quot; Reeves 05:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Possible reprises
The entire section on Possible reprises is speculation. The only reason the section exists is because there is no information on regarding the return of these actors. This section clearly violates the policy Wikipedia: Not A Crystal Ball. I cannot see how it could be viewed as anything else.Simondrake 21:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I understand your reasoning, but I've reverted your edit, removed all speculation, and reworded so it fits the guideline. If this is still a concern we can discuss. --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 23:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Film in post-production
Um, I think that this article needs an update since they've already finished filming and are into post-production of the movie. The characters/cast section needs particular attention as to who has been ABSOLUTELY CONFIRMED to have returned and who've left. Can someone please take a look into fixing/updating this article pls? (And oh, the trailers are now online.) 74.96.186.207 00:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you're confused. This is the article for the sixth movie, not being released until November 2008. You may be thinking of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (film), being released this July (2007). --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 02:38, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Kevin Baldwin? Who?
Is there some reason the anon user 71.110.167.112 has been repeatedly cutting out the statement that Tom Felton is playing Draco Malfoy in place of Kevin Baldwin is playing Seamus Finnigan? It looks just a BIT suspect, especially considering the recent creation, and lack of so much as stub content and quality of the article Kevin baldwin[sic].--AgentCDE 00:57, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note; you'll notice I've reverted this edit every time for lack of a WP:RS and I've speedied the article for the same reason. :) RadioKirk (u|t|c)  01:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Not a problem, I just didn't want to flip and start reverting stuff without having read all the books, much less kept up to speed with the news about the movies.--AgentCDE 01:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You don't have to; if an editor adds something without citing a reliable source, it's fair game, as long as you note the reason for the reversion. :) RadioKirk (u|t|c)  01:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Filming in New Zealand
Um wasn't one of JKRowelings contract requests that the films are to be filmed in Britain? or did i getthat wrong. Lovingnews1989 09:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe a request was that all (or most) of the actors were British, but there was nothing in regard to locations of filming. --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 04:00, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Unconfirmed cast roles
Somewhere I heard that Bill Nighy was going to be in this as sombody, also I looked on his page and it said rumored. Is this true, and if it is who would he play? ManofSTEEL2772

Public apology
Many anons and registered users have, quite rightly, removed Matthew Lewis from the "Expressed interest in returning" section, only to be reverted by my dumb self, who mistook it for the "Confirmed" section. I apologize for engaging in a totally unnecessary revert war, as well as for my offensive edit summaries.

Sorry folks if I made you mad! --NetherlandishYankee 01:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Prime Minister
I recently added Tony Blair as he was Prime Minister of the UK at the time. Only to have it deleted! Tony Blair was Prime Minister from 1997-2007 and if it was not referring to him then it was either John Major. Maybe if we could have this verified it would save a lot of debate —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pigslop (talk • contribs) 17:09, July 3, 2007
 * Please remember to sign your comments. It's not known if the Prime Minister of the Muggle world in Harry Potter is the same as ours in the real world. Plenty of fiction set in modern day use fictional political figures. (Rekija 03:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC))

Aragog...recurring role?
He's dead and has no lines if I remember correctly, so should "Aragog (voice) | Julian Glover" be removed from he list of previous roles that recur in the book?
 * Good point. I've removed it. --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 22:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Though you're correct in that he has no lines, he dies in this book (and it's quite an important plot point, seeing as it's the reason Harry gets the Horcrux memory from Slughorn). Not arguing that it shouldn't be removed, just letting you know he's not dead until about halfway through this book. 208.180.136.201 21:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Filius Flitwick
I don't know if this is of any importance. Hornberry 23:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've moved Davis up to "Expressed interest". --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 00:45, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Confirmed Cast
Please, don't put actors into the confirmed section unless Warner Brothers announces it or the actor says they absolutely are coming back. That means that those who are rumored don't belong there - that goes in the casting section. ex. Naomi Watts is rumored to be playing Narcissa, but is not confirmed for the role. Just because an Australian newspaper says she is doesn't mean that it's true. Cpu111 07:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

The rumors regarding Naomi Watts, Stewart Townsend and Joseph Fiennes are not true. Please stop adding them back into the article. -FeralDruid 17:44, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Potential characters
Speculation about characters that may appear in the film is inappropriate, and these sections should be removed. This information is already included in the article about the book. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 16:55, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I've started a discussion on this at Talk:Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (film). --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 17:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Mrs. Malfoy Confirmed
Naomi Watts of the Ring and Ring II is set to play Draco's Mum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.139.115.67 (talk • contribs) 22:00, 26 July 2007
 * This has already been addressed within the article, and is not true. -FeralDruid 23:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Flear
Someone said Yates confirmed Flear for the sixth movie, I need a citation for an interview to believe you. ---Smartjoe299

Nicholas Hooper
Hooper is In Negotiations to set the Music Scoring for this Potter. I don't know how to do a refrence - if someone could help me, that would be great. Here's the link: Thanks. BrianY 03:10, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Slughorn
We need a citation for Horace Slughorn ---User: Smartjoe299

Poster?
Ok I was checking flixster the other day and I went to this movies page and there was a poster on it that looks like a teaser poster for the movie, should it be added? Here is the link to that flixster page. --Dil 04:10, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, those are fan-made posters. Nothing official has been put out yet. --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 15:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I ment the one with the book on it, btw. It looks professional so I thought I would ask.--Dil 21:32, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Robbie Coltrane
I don't know how to do refs, but this maybe worth noting. and. The second one shows Lavender maybe in the scene in the Hospital Wing after Slughorn's office. In the book, she is not in that scene. It also says Madam Pomfrey is in the script. BrianY 15:28, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll try and do something with the second one, thanks for that. But the first one, is highly out of date. I mean, that's clearly been written before film 5 and book 6 and 7. Coltrane's saying he may not appear in the last three, and he was in 5. And as the main three have been confirmed for 6 and 7, I fail to see why he wouldn't carry on as well. Gran2 19:09, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess that's true, and it was a few months after the 3rd film debut. BrianY 03:28, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

The two redheads
Could they be the two girls Crabbe and Goyle turn into? APAD 05:50, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, very good. Its very likely, but to say so without a source would be speculation. Gran2 09:12, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You missed it, APAD. One of them is a BOY.CheckeredFlag200 23:01, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * OK I was wrong. APAD 06:49, 18 September 2007 (UTC)