Talk:Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (film)/Archive 3

Fred and George Weasley
From the site Veritaserum, I have gathered that The Phelps twins will be returning to play Fred and George Weasley in "Prince." You can check it out here: http://www.veritaserum.com/movies/movie6/cast.shtml. I suggest that it is looked over, and the twins added.CaydenSelwyn 20:26, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I'd rather there was another ref and not a Youtube video, which would be considered linkspam. Is there any other source confirming there, or do you have a date for and on what did this interview originally air? Gran2 22:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm looking into it. (When I sent this, I didn't realize it was a video interview on youtube.) From the looks of it, it was right after or during the premier of OOTP, so I'll have to see. CaydenSelwyn 02:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Filming for Slughorn
...goes until May right? Worth noting? BrianY 16:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Jim Broadbent
Jim Broadbent is cast as slughorn. here is the link http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/070917l.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.118.144.236 (talk) 19:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but we already know, it was put in the article some 4 hours before you posted this. Gran2 14:27, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Production and crew
I had put Nicholas Hooper back into the article because I thought the section was the "crew" section, though I see that this was removed in earlier edits; I had not noticed this. I don't see what the problem is with creating a crew section. After all, Nicholas Hooper belongs in more places than just the infobox, and I agree that that place is not under "filming". Also, what's wrong with "search for a director" as a subsection name? That section is entirely about a director search, not about the development of the film as a whole (that would include scouting locations, casting, all pre-production, etc.). --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 15:46, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I just really think a separate crew section is superflous, aside from Hooper all of the stuff fits easily into the filming section. Plus what was in the originally crew section, wasn't all about the crew. And having a Development heading allows for a broader amount of info, and not just such a specific thing. Gran2 15:58, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well that's fine, but where do we want to stick Hooper into the article? For some reason I'm wary to leave him alone in the infobox. --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 00:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe have it at the end of the Development section: "Yates retained OOTP composer NIcholas Hooper..." something to that effect. Gran2 06:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Alan Rickman
No word on Alan Rickman yet? His character is central to the plot, after all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sepmix (talk • contribs) 14:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * His absence on the page simply means that there has been no official confirmation. Does anybody doubt that he's going to return? Of course not. But until there's official word, it would just be (strong) speculation. --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 15:59, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I certainly would be upset if they didn't have him. The fact there's no confirmation is making me nervous. o.o 24.9.146.255 02:15, 27 September 2007 (UTC)Michelle
 * There's absolutely nothing to be nervous about. J. K. Rowling told Rickman details of Snape's fate long before anybody else knew. Having edited the last film's article from preproduction to beyond release, I can tell you that the announcements of actors' returning status is made across the entire filming timeline, and sometimes beyond then. Filming for OoP began in February 2006, and it was announced officially that Rickman was returning in August 2006. It's just that the news hasn't been made yet. --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 14:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Phelps twins interview
The Phelps twins confirm they're coming back here, though the link is to YouTube and the source (misteremma.com) does not appear to be about Harry Potter -- as a fan I've never heard of it before -- so I don't think it's reliable at all. I'm still hesitant to remove them from the confirmed list though. Could another editor(s) chime in on this one? --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 23:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I see we covered this at the beginning of the month. I'm removing them until we can find a better source. --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 23:28, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

They may not want to come back, after reading the seventh book.
 * I seriously doubt that. Gran2 16:19, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't know. The guy who plays Fred Weasley may not want to return after his character's death.Green Kirby 21:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Why would that affect him at all? Oh no, he dies. Big whoop. Somebody who's been acting him alive for five/six films is not going to suddenly get cold feet because his character dies. --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 22:33, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't know! I 'm just speculating.Green Kirby 22:44, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

"Exclusive leak"
I hereby nominate the ongoing revert war over the supposed "exclusive leak" of an image that tells us ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for WP:LAME.

Who cares?!?

--NetherlandishYankee 20:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Picture deleted per FU #4. Hasn't been published outside Wikipedia, so it fail fair use. -Royalguard11 (T·R!) 21:09, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I care. It had come from a user who has previously uploaded fanmade posters, such as those that can be found at Flixster. I wanted to discourage (stop) the user from continuing to upload images which were fanmade, and try to make her recognize the WP:V and WP:RS policies. Sure, if we had let the picture remain on the page, would it really have been a problem? No. But I wanted this user, as well as the IP who supported her, to understand why the image -- in this case, a harmless one -- was not appropriate for Wikipedia, because the person didn't seem to understand before when we told her to stop with fanmade posters which definitely have no place on WP. --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 22:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Why we can't put Ralph Fiennes for confirmed (yet)
Only one source has covered the fact that Fiennes is returning to play Voldemort. If he were, there would be more confirmation elsewhere. There's nothing to suggest that the writer of the article heard this exclusive piece of information and mentioned it casually in a sentence. This makes very little sense as the present-day version of Voldemort does not appear in the book, just flashback versions. What's more likely is that she heard that Harry and Voldemort would be in the scene, though it was not mentioned that this Voldemort was a younger version, and automatically assumed Ralph Fiennes would fill the role. For now, I strongly encourage us not to list Fiennes in the cast list. --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 23:26, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't forget, there's a scene in the book that's a flashback where Riddle, who's just started going by the name of Voldemort, asks Dumbledore for a job. So, it is entirely possible that Ray Fiennes DOES appear in the film as Voldemort, just not the current Voldemort. Considering that there is a reliable source, if he is not already there, I shall add him to the cast list. Simply because the present day Voldemort doesn't appear in the book doesn't mean that he either won't in the film or that he won't appear being played by Fiennes. Anakinjmt 15:17, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Noone suggested he won't, but as Fbv65edel explained, that source can't be used. Gran2 15:21, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * And, why is this source unreliable? If that's the case, I'll take down what I just added in, but what makes you think it is unreliable? Anakinjmt 15:25, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I just commented out what I added in, as I'm waiting to hear about why this source is unreliable. Anakinjmt 15:26, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Did you read what Fbv65edel wrote? Because I originally held the same opinion as you, until I read what he put. There is no proof he will appear, the source is just making an assumption. Now I have no doubt that he will appear, because I'm sure he will, in some way. But there have been no sightings of him flming yet, and there's been no report of any Voldemort scene being shot. As such, I don't think it should be included as of yet. Gran2 15:32, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I did read what he wrote, and I read the article itself, and I don't see how you get the idea that the source is making an assumption. The source discovers what scenes are being filmed and who is filming them. Anakinjmt 16:05, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's entirely plausible that Ralph Fiennes will be playing a younger version of Voldemort. However, only ONE source has announced his return -- why no others? I imagine that the author of the article heard that there will be scenes with "Harry and Voldemort". To maintain standards of journalism, the author provided the reader with the name of the actor who fills Voldemort's role, which she knew personally or looked up if she didn't know. The fact that I and Gran are reasonably doubting the authenticity of the source right now means it cannot be used. --Fbv65 e del — t — c // 17:31, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't there been only one source for multiple people returning? Such as the actress that plays Tonks. The only source I've seen that says she'll be in it is the newspaper in Belfast. Anakinjmt 19:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That article focuses on her, it doesn't just mention her in passing. Actually, the real reason we used that reference was because we had an old AP article that was an interview with her where she confirmed her return, but it was on Yahoo! and the link expired. However, you just encouraged me to go to the Internet Archive and find it, and then google the text, and I found it here. So that takes care of that. I just checked all of the reference, actually, and the only one which doesn't work is Evanna Lynch's -- even though I'm sure the last time I read that article it confirmed she would return. I'll comment her out for now until we find a new source. --Fbv65 e del — t — c // 21:27, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * And this source takes care of Evanna. --Fbv65 e del — t — c // 21:39, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Narcissa Malfoy
For God's sake, when are they going to reveal who'll be playing Narcissa Malfoy? Have they given any kind of estimate for when they'll be able to tell us? 79.75.14.84 14:07, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No. Slughorn remains the only new character that has been cast, and whose casting we know about. Gran2 14:23, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Helen McCrory?! Wow! I SO wanted her to play Bellatrix, but how on earth are they going to make her look like a convincing Narcissa?! I was thinking more along the lines of Joely Richardson!!! 79.67.24.221 13:35, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * This is NOT the place to discuss your opinions of the article. This is for talking about ways to improve the article. Besides, ever hear of a wig and contacts? Anakinjmt 14:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, lighten up! Secondly, wigs and contacts look fake! 79.75.83.141 17:09, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Lacock filming
At the moment the article reads: "A series of night scenes featuring Harry, Voldemort and Death Eaters are being filmed in the village of Lacock and the cloisters at Lacock Abbey for three nights starting 25 October 2007, according to the Wiltshire Times.", but according to The Leaky Cauldron, they are filming the scene where Harry and Dumbledore visit Slughorn. No Death Eaters and no Voldemort. Huh??? ArryStreet 21:51, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Who says that's the only scene their filming there? Gran2 21:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I hadn't thought of that, but know I do, what would Death Eaters and Voldemort be doing at Slughorn's home? I suppose we'll know the answers in a few days. ArryStreet 03:04, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This filming is over now, isn't it? And there's been no other reports of Voldemort. Should it be changed? ArryStreet 02:27, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No. Just because there hasn't been a report, doesn;t mean it hasn't happened. The source says that they were going to be filmed. So, they can only be removed if there is a report saying that they weren't there. Gran2 07:19, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Could we add that Michael Gambon was there, then, as that is fact. ArryStreet 06:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Cho Chang
I haven't heard anything on Katie returning, except this article, and she only appears very briefly in HBP the Novel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TraverseTown (talk • contribs) 19:04, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well the source used in the article clearly states that she is returning, although it won't be much of an appearance. Gran2 19:07, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

The DVD
Hello, Goodbye, Wikipedians. I noticed in the Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (film) article that the DVD of the fifth film was released yesterday. However, in that article (and in this one), it still uses future tence when talking about the DVD. In the article of HBP (film), it talks about that the DVD of the fifth film "will contain a sneak peak" of the sixth film, while it should say "contained a sneak peek". Later, it has text in past tence. It's a mistake that should be corrected, all should be in past tence.

See ya. WKMN? Later [ Let's talk ] 21:07, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Casting section
I think it's best that we keep the casting section complete, rather than moving all relevant information to the main cast list section -- after all, when the film comes out, people won't want to know about casting right there but rather about the character. I think it would be good to move that chunk of Lavender information back into the casting section so that the final product can have a comprehensive and chronologically ordered section on casting. --Fbv65 e del — t — c // 23:49, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * But that's the idea, you have the character and casting in the same place. For example, see Spider-Man (2002 film). Those with relevant casting info have that mentioned next to there name, as well as a description. Its the preffered format now, and personally I think it looks better than a casting section with a load of points strung together. Gran2 07:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Am I correct in stating that, in the novels, Lavender Brown is described as "a black girl", yet it appears they have cast a blonde caucasian in the film role? I'm not casting aspersions about this at the moment, but I'm surprised the issue is not even mentioned (let alone addressed) anywhere on wikipedia! 79.75.100.89 18:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know, unless you have a specific mention I don't know. To be honest, I always thought she was white. Jennifer Smith (who played her is POA) was black. Gran2 18:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Lavender's physical attributtes are never stated in the books. They could have casted whoever they liked. ArryStreet 21:33, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure you're wrong. I'm sure JK Rowling specifically refers to Lavender Brown as a black girl in the novels (I'm assuming one of the earlier ones). As a result I always visualised her as black/mixed race. 79.75.98.42 00:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * There been a lot of discussion whether Lavender is black or not online (just Google "lavender brown black"), but JKR never states her physical appearance. In HBP, Harry says he has a hard time telling Ron from Lavender while they're snogging, which suggests that the two are of the same skin color. Thus, I've always pictured her as white (with brown hair, as her name suggests). However, as Gran said, a black girl played her (but briefly) in POA.
 * Gran -- as to the casting section: I agree with you that we make it like Spider-man's current layout, as long as we keep the current paragraphs we have in the casting section where they are, since they won't really fit anywhere in a list of characters section. This way we have casting info relevant to each character right where it belongs, but general casting descriptions in their own section. --Fbv65 e del — t — c // 02:25, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, although the Ridddle info would possibly be a god thing to move, when Riddle's casting is announced. Although I don't know, anything (Davdenport, Nighy etc.) that has expressed an interest but never appears should stay in a casting section. But let's just wait and see, when the main casting is complete. Overall, I wouldn't mind having a casting section. Gran2 07:40, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

No Ralph Fiennes?
Why doesn't Ralph Fiennes appear in the Cast list? He's not going to be in the film? I thought he was going to act as Tom Riddle when he goes to Hogwarts for asking Dumbledore the DADA job. WKMN? Later [ Let's talk ] 19:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I just noticed something! In the Ralph Fiennes article it does say that he will act in Half-Blood Prince, but in this page it doesn't say anything about it. Can anybody clear this? WKMN? Later [ Let's talk ] 19:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It was just pure speculation, with no reliable source to support the fact that Fiennes is returning, so I've removed it from his article. So Fiennes isn't in the cast list, because it isn't confirmed he's returning, and as he wasn't in the official press release, there's a good chance he won't be in the film (at least not in a huge role), but we won't find out until closer to the film's release. Gran2 20:07, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Dumbledore Gay?
Is this true? now I am just wondering does mean the actor or the character himself. Cause if I can remember it does not mention anything in the book about being gay. as a matter of fact the book doesn't even deal with any issues like this at all. Headstrong 345 (talk) 03:51, 31 December 2007 (UTC)Headstrong 345
 * Yup, you've missed out on quite the revelation. JKR told an audience at Carnegie Hall during her tour this October that she always viewed Dumbledore as having a sexual attraction to Grindelwald and this was his downfall -- a man who believed so strongly in the power of love never himself found a love. See this and all other Google results for "dumbledore gay." --Fbv65 e del — t — c // 05:51, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Umm - so why did you (Headstrong) almost immediately post the answer to your question and also complain about others discussing the issue, here at the Dumbledore talk page, barely fifteen minutes after posting your question here? Very odd indeed - just wondering what is goin' on. Did someone hijack your account? --T-dot ( Talk/ contribs ) 11:40, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well you see I share my account with my friend and she told me that she was going to write something about on that page on the character dumbledore but I didn't realize what she was going to write so I am very sorry if I have upset anyone or caused any confusion. Headstrong 345 (talk) 21:55, 31 December 2007 (UTC)Headstrong 345
 * Ahh yes - that explains a lot. No problem, nothing to apologize for, and don't give it another thought.  Please do not let this bit of confusion dissuade you from asking good questions, giving answers and making comments, and boldly posting article content, correcting errors, etc. - your good faith contributions (and those of your friend) are always welcome here!  Now, you might want to consider persuading your friend to create her own account so she can also feel free to contribute to articles and talk pages on her own username.  It is easy to set up, and her privacy (and yours) is protected.  Thanks, and Happy New Year!  --T-dot ( Talk/ contribs ) 03:49, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your kindness and I will probably get her to set up her own account. and a Happy New Year to you too. Headstrong 345 (talk) 19:19, 4 January 2008 (UTC)Headstrong 345

Vernon dursley cut
http://www.mugglenet.com/ Here, scroll down halfway. BrianY (talk) 03:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * All it says about Vernon is that J.K Rowling refused to write him a bigger part, doesn't say anything about him being cut. I hope they don't split the film in two, cause what would honestly be the point? It'll look horrible in a Harry Potter collection "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1" and if they could fit Order of the Phoenix in one film why not the last book? Oh dear I'm ranting again, sorry. But as I said, nothing is happening to Vernons role in the film. --Jammy (talk) 12:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The sentence before that says "I'm not in the sixth film so I want bigger roles." --Fbv65 e del — t — c // 00:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

New cast members
A very nice person has brought to my attention (via the [[Wikipedia:Help Desk|Help Desk) this blog which lists five - count them, five - new cast members. Here it is! This deserves adding if anyone is interested. [[User:Jake the Editor Man| Jake the Editor Man ]] ( talk ) 19:53, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think so, none of those are "characters" there just really glorified extras and therefore don't warrant a mention here. I mean does "member of Slug Club" really sound very important or notable? Gran2 19:56, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I liked this entry: "Katy Newman-Wood plays a Hogwarts student (she had the same role in Order of the Phoenix)." Hmm, considering we didn't even know she was in OOP (she's not in the credits nor on IMDb nor have I ever seen her name in all my many many searchings for cast members), I doubt these people will have any part whatsoever. Thanks for alerting us though! It's helpful to know that these people do exist in case they keep popping up again. --Fbv65 e del — t — c // 02:58, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Poster?
This is an official poster, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Halfbloodprince.png It was posted on MuggleNet. Shouldn't it be up on the main page?
 * Mugglenet refers to that as a magazine ad, not a poster. --Maelwys (talk) 14:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I can't get a picture of it, but this is the real poster!202.154.153.12 (talk) 20:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have any proof it's an official teaser? Gran2 20:30, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * And how do you expect us to get a fully pixelised picture of the poster when it's a YouTube video? Jammy (talk) 22:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Citation Link Broken

 * 1) ^ Mina Hochberg. "Working without magic", amNewYork, 2007-09-12. Retrieved on 2007-10-20.

Currently citation number 17 in the development section, broken page:

"Quidditch will also be featured, much to the annoyance of Radcliffe and other cast and crew members.[17]" Pritchard (talk) 06:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, strange. There is a cached version, but it's incomplete for some reason. Hold off on removing the line for now; I'll see if I can dig something up. Steve  T • C 07:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, here's all what's left: A duplicate of the article archived on another site, which may or may not be affiliated with amNY. Comments on whether this can be added as an archive link within the citation? Steve  T • C 07:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Romilda Vane/Ginny Weasley Separated at Birth
Doesn't that description given of Romilda (by Warner Bros) also fit Ginny from the earlier books (obsessed and willing to do anything)? Any way, if Romilda had done her homework, she would have put it in the treacle fudge. Even Ron leaves the Treacle Fudge alone because he knows that Harry likes it so much.

Find it quite suspicious that Warner Bros took out the whole Fleur subplot and Ginny thinking (wrongly, but feeling such action is justified) that Molly was trying to stop the marriage by getting Bill interested in Tonks. In other words, that one has a right to interfere with even true love if it doesn't suit you. Also, it puts the heroine in a bad light. ````19:31, 27 April 2008 (UTC)24.77.37.48 (talk) 19:31, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

It may be important that those who see the movies tend to be between 12 and 20 - the ages where one is most apt to identify with Ginny - because Warner Bros owns the intellectual property rights to the movies:

"Vander Ark testified on the second day of a trial in U.S. District Court in Manhattan, pitting his publishing company, RDR Books, against Rowling and Warner Bros., the maker of the Harry Potter films and owner of all the intellectual property related to the Potter books and movies."

"... Warner Bros., the maker of the Harry Potter films and owner of all the intellectual property related to the Potter books and movies."

"Fan being sued over Harry Potter guide cries in court" - By: David B. Caruso, WPG Free Press, April 16, 2008, p. D2

I wonder, since Warner Bros is a US company, if NAFTA Chapter 11 applies - if Warner Bros can sue an author if the author does, says or writes anything that may cost them money. 19:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)24.77.37.48 (talk)