Talk:Hart family murders

Incident -> murder and crash
Euphemisms and weasels removed. See e.g. this for RS: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hart-family-crash-driver-legally-drunk-fatal-suv-plunge-northern-california-cliff-coroner-inquest-2019-04-03/ Zezen (talk) 08:05, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

How about a more accurate, truthful title?
Like "Hart family murder-suicide [crash]"? 67.4.86.65 (talk) 22:48, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Plus one for this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.105.120.70 (talk) 19:55, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Missing posters for three
Seems like the FBI deleted copies of missing children profiles and posters for all three then-missing Hart children on its website; the posters for Hannah and Cierra Hart were not archived on the Wayback Machine, and Cierra Hart's FBI missing profile page (https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/sierra-maija-hart) was also not archived on the Wayback Machine. However https://www.missingadultskids.com/find-missing-hannah-devonte-n-sierra-hart/ has copies of these WhisperToMe (talk) 05:46, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

https://twitter.com/fbimostwanted/status/985986719924109312?lang=bg is still up WhisperToMe (talk) 05:55, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Broken Harts AMA on Reddit
Found https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/afxcu7/hi_redditors_this_is_justine_harman_and_liz_egan/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app WhisperToMe (talk) 07:18, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Article Evaluation
Article has good amount of sources, and most of the information appears to be correct. The first paragraph of the 'background' section could be improved, especially the first sentence using the word "originated" twice. Most of the information is relevant to the article, and an unbiased tone is conveyed. Good use of wiki links. The article overall is pretty general, possibly due to a lack of evidence about the event itself. LycomingO360 (talk) 01:06, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The police got more evidence than one would think as the car had a "black box". WhisperToMe (talk) 06:07, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Rename to Hart family murders
The article should be renamed to *Hart family murders*. The current title makes you think it was just an accident when it was in fact first-degree murder. --87.123.180.112 (talk) 01:53, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed, or possibly "Hart family homicides".--Shakehandsman (talk) 04:10, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

BLP note
The foster daughter abandoned by the Harts stated in the Lonely Harts podcast that she wishes to remain anonymous https://www.glamour.com/story/broken-harts-episode-2-full-transcript so editors should not post her name WhisperToMe (talk) 19:32, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Note on details about the personalities of the victims
The Glamour Magazine official account used in the Reddit AMA with the Broken Harts podcast hosts stated: "Nobody really asks about the kids: who they were, what they liked, [...] only semblance of answers we do have are drawn from Jen's status updates, which are suspect at best."

This means if a published source describes the personality of a child, see if the information comes from Jen Hart's Facebook posts or other social media posts, and if so, that may be considered sketchy information. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:36, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation
Do we need some kind of disambiguation for the title of this page? There is another well-covered family murder case involving the "Hart family" in the UK. I was looking for articles on this British murder case and found this article. It is quite confusing. --saebou (talk) 07:09, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hatnote added. I don't think a parenthetical disambiguation would be needed at this point unless it is somehow desired that 2016 Spalding shooting be moved to a name close to that of this article. Moving this article to a name with something that serves as WP:NATURALDAB (and turning the current name into a dab page) is probably a better option than adding a parenthetical dab, though I don't know if the 2016 case is high-profile enough to warrant that (|2016_Spalding_shooting the pageviews suggest not). Nardog (talk) 09:18, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Image
I have removed the original image of this article, which depicted the children alongside the women who murdered them, with an image of just the six siblings without their murderers. It is disrespectful and unnecessary to show these victims alongside the women who murdered them. If it's prudent to show what the women looked like, an image of just the two of them can be put in another section. rustbeltgelt (talk) 23:15, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Please see this section about censorship and potentially sensitive images. In a previous edit, not mine, the former image was restored. I can comment further if need be to explain. -- • Ap ol lo 468 •      22:56, 26 February 2022 (UTC)