Talk:Harut and Marut

RE Kabbalah?
those angels didn't teach the Kabbalah,and sorcery exist before,in   fact in Babylon people were using black magics and many of them claim to  be a prophet or a god ,god sent harut and marut to babylonien to inform the population that the black magic is something can be learned (these two taught no man until they had said, "Surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a disbeliever" )(quran 2-102 ) sorcery exist even at prophet Saleh's time (before the prophet Ibrahim's time "Abraham") , human learn the black magics from demons (bad Jinn) i don't know about kabbalah's origin ,maybe it's from anicien egypte sorcery or from babylon (when many Jews were enslaved there ) there also another theory ,those black magics books found buried under prophet  Sulayman" chair (King Solomon),Sulayman is said to have been given control over various elements, such as the wind and transportation,he also control Jinn and can speak to animals. there many théory about those books 1-maybe he found that the devils were teaching sorcery to humans and he took those books and buried them where no human or djinn can approach them 2-or after his death someone buried them in that place under a demons order or a demon buried them. after his death the demons said to the jews that prophet sulayman was a magician and he was commanding them (djin) with those books. و الله اعلم Allah knows best — Preceding unsigned comment added by TSukigo~enwiki (talk • contribs)

Fallability
Where does the idea come from that angels can't sin or that they don't have "free-will" (the existence or degree of free-will is debated anyways in Islam). There are several sources both Academic as well as Muslim which clearly show that angelic infallability is simply a matter of debate, and mostly advocated by those influenced by Qadariyya ideas on free-will (Hasan, Razi, ibn Arabi etc.) and some Shiites, but no main-stream opinion. The articles Iblis and Angels in Islam might be helpful resources for starters. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 00:17, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Quran translation
As discussed the in the GA review above, I'm replacing the translation of the Quranic verse, which isn't properly sourced, with the translation from The Study Quran, a well-respected version that does not suffer from the archaic language found in some older translations. I left out the first sentence of verse 2:102, which says "And they followed what the satans recited against the kingdom of Solomon," because I thought the meaning of the passage about Harut and Marut is actually clearer without it. The first sentence may leave people wondering who "they" refers to, which would encompass the context of the previous verses, which aren't relevant to Harut and Marut. But I don't insist on excluding the sentence or on using this translation. A. Parrot (talk) 22:21, 11 February 2024 (UTC)