Talk:Harvey Carignan

Speedy Deletion?
There is no adequate reason for this article to be speedily deleted. It is a newborn, with an "under construction" tag to indicate intentions of future expansion.

Insofar as the notability of the subject, Wikipedia hosts a sizable collection of articles on serial killers, ranging from notorious, to obscure. Harvey Carignan falls somewhere in the middle, having not only received significant media coverage, but having also been the subject of a book by Ann Rule, who is the most successful American true-crime author. Since there appears to be a demand for articles on serial killers on Wikipedia, the fact of serial murder alone should yield "notability."

The user who tagged this particular article for Speedy Deletion is particularly overzealous with the Speedy Deletion requests. Within, oh, ten minutes of the article's creation, this individual appeared and requested speedy deletion on the grounds that the subject is not notable.


 * The external link you've provided isn't a reliable source. Please see WP:RS. Claritas § 14:28, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Resources possibly useful for article expansion
I looked for materials to expand and document this article with only partial success. Here are notes which someone may find useful. Watch for spelling. It's not “Carnigan”. Even TruTV got this wrong where they mention Carignan in an article (a passing mention though). A timeline for Carignan appears at http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Carignan,%20Harvey.htm. This source itself would undoubtedly not be considered a “reliable source” but the information seems like a fair checklist for development of an article. This source also points out that, in addition to Ann Rule, The Want-Ad Killer (1983) (a work that at this point seems to be the canonical source of Carignan facts), Carignan is also mentioned in Newton, The Encyclopedia of Serial Killers. Rule keeps updates of her subjects on her website: Carignan is at: http://www.annrules.com/news3.htm.

Rule herself points out that Carnigan was known as “Harv the Hammer” amongst other nicknames. His prison record shows the spelling Harvy (no “e”). Another true-crime oriented web site Carnigan article is at http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/serialkillers/carignan.htm. It has a fairly extensive narrative about him, but again probably can't be used directly because it likely wouldn't qualify as a “reliable source”. Nevertheless, it is a good place to get familiar with the subject. Media: http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/327623/The-Serial-Killers-Harvey-Louis-Carignan-Harv-the-Hammer/overview reports on the 30 mins long documentary “The Serial Killers: Harvey Louis Carignan - Harv the Hammer” (2005); no details there but Amazon stocks it (ASIN: B0009OL8GM ). Amazon says it was done by “Dark Sky Films” and refers us to a dead link at IMDb for further details. Finding the film on IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0839471/), one sees Mainline Television Productions [gb] credited as production company. He's mentioned, both as Carignan and Carnigan, in Harold Schechter and David Everitt's The A to Z Encyclopedia of Serial Killers.

Here's an interview: www.XXXXX.com/alcatraz-in-san-francisco/serial-killer-harv-the-hammer-talks-about-alcatraz (substitute examiner for the X's and you can read the article -- necessary because of some incomprehensible wikipedia rule), Drew Morita, “Serial killer ‘Harv the Hammer’ talks about Alcatraz” (9 March 2011). However, this is not a reliable source: examiner.com is crowd-sourced news; it is not the San Francisco Examiner. Wolfram Alpha (http://www.wolframalpha.com/entities/person_birth_place/where_was_harvey_carignan_born%3F/8f/j6/lo/) says Carignan was born in Fargo, but gives no clue how it knows. Other Carignan queries are noted on that page. TruTV on the “Andy Stack” trilogy (where Rule writes about Carignan): http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/ann_rule/3.html. Abstract but no full text available of article titled “Psychopathic Self-Denial in Serial Rape and Multiple Homicide” about Carignan in Criminologist Volume:22 Issue:2 Summer 1998: https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/Abstract.aspx?id=174384. Carignan is covered in Serial Killers: Up Close and Personal: Inside the World of Torturers …, by Christopher Berry-Dee (http://books.google.com/books?id=R7wvl1xEXX4C&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=Harvey+Louis+Carignan&source=bl&ots=ylgLgGslC0&sig=dBj-s3ITLW1bWDaMpfaqNGXAymE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mCV-T7WNIYvYiQLtvpWeDg&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBTgo#v=onepage&q=Harvey%20Louis%20Carignan&f=false) Ulysses Press (2007). There is supposedly a section on him in Talking with Serial Killers, also by Christopher Berry-Dee.Tkotc (talk) 23:43, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

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